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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AviSteve Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Aug 2019 at 11:04pm
Originally posted by HenryM HenryM wrote:

With the IFR bundles you get two mobile keys. Could you use one with ForeFlight and one with the IFD100? I use FF more than the IFD100.
With the new bundles, Foreflight support is a separate purchase.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AviSteve Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Aug 2019 at 11:07pm
Originally posted by teeth6 teeth6 wrote:

Do you have any idea if one of the future bundles will be full USA but also Canada and Bahamas?
That's the North America coverage.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AviSteve Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Aug 2019 at 11:10pm
Originally posted by HenryM HenryM wrote:

What I would like is North America NavData and Obstacles. Hopefully that will happen soon. 
When it comes out, you'll want the bundle that has NavData, Obstacles, and Terrain.
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Sadly, no price benefits for those of us in Australia. 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ddgates Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Aug 2019 at 6:53am
Is there a listing somewhere, or will it be posted?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Flybuddy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Aug 2019 at 10:41am
Deepest appreciation to Steve and Avidyne for addressing this issue as they did. I wonder if there was a Garmin forum and a similar concern was raised how they would handle it (probably by banning the people posting :) ). Thx Much !!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rangemaster_Tango Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Aug 2019 at 4:12pm
This is a great result.  And it sounds like it will even get better.  Thanks again Steve.  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AviSteve Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Aug 2019 at 10:42pm
Originally posted by DH82FLYER DH82FLYER wrote:

Sadly, no price benefits for those of us in Australia.
I don't know what the old bundle price was, but a comparison of ala carte pricing for nav data shows a price delta of $15 US (old $404 vs new $389).
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Flyer2017 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Aug 2019 at 10:44am
The new lower pricing from Jepp is nice but the bundle pricing seems high. I was getting under $500 pricing for my 430W for nav data and obstacle for the US. How about a bundle for the 440 that includes nav data, obstacle and charts and approach charts for the 100 for a good price? 

On another note, I emailed and talked to Seattle Avionics at AirVenture about the quality of their chart data. They said the FAA ranks their data the same as Jepps. How about a SA subscription as an option? It doesn't appear that quality is the question. For those of us in the US, it would probably be less expensive.
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Originally posted by Flyer2017 Flyer2017 wrote:

The new lower pricing from Jepp is nice but the bundle pricing seems high. I was getting under $500 pricing for my 430W for nav data and obstacle for the US. How about a bundle for the 440 that includes nav data, obstacle and charts and approach charts for the 100 for a good price? 

On another note, I emailed and talked to Seattle Avionics at AirVenture about the quality of their chart data. They said the FAA ranks their data the same as Jepps. How about a SA subscription as an option? It doesn't appear that quality is the question. For those of us in the US, it would probably be less expensive.
Stay tuned for one of the upcoming bundles - you'll be pleased.

We have no plans to support Seattle Avionics charts.
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Originally posted by Flyer2017 Flyer2017 wrote:

On another note, I emailed and talked to Seattle Avionics at AirVenture about the quality of their chart data. They said the FAA ranks their data the same as Jepps. How about a SA subscription as an option? It doesn't appear that quality is the question. For those of us in the US, it would probably be less expensive.
Seriously?  Avidyne listened to the users on this forum, worked with Jepp to negotiate better pricing (which couldn't have been easy), and even before the pricing is fully rolled out, the complaints about not having SA are already starting?  How about a courtesy hiatus until all the pricing is available?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote LANCE Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Aug 2019 at 8:43am
Originally posted by AviSteve AviSteve wrote:

Stay tuned for one of the upcoming bundles - you'll be pleased.

We have no plans to support Seattle Avionics charts.

Thank goodness!!

Why would Avidyne waste precious engineering resources to solve a problem that doesn't exist? They already have a data solution that works and would have to re-certify a new solution - a complete waste of time for them.

All of us bought our units knowing that Jeppesen was the data provider with no mention from Avidyne that they would ever use Seattle Avionics. If another company happened to provide data that was $50 or $100 cheaper per year would it really change anyone's lifestyle? This is an old tired topic that keeps getting brought up over and over, even after Avidyne says it's not going to happen.

Getting back on topic, I am grateful that Avidyne is working with Jeppesen in creating bundles that are better priced and prefer to keep my mind focused on things much more positive and productive,

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"All of us bought our units knowing that Jeppesen was the data provider with no mention from Avidyne that they would ever use Seattle Avionics. If another company happened to provide data that was $50 or $100 cheaper per year would it really change anyone's lifestyle? This is an old tired topic that keeps getting brought up over and over, even after Avidyne says it's not going to happen."




If it was 1 cent cheaper, I would do it. I have SA for all my other operations, 2 Aspen systems and FLY Q as well as my autoflight system, they are outstanding products and work perfectly.  I will continue to bring it up.


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Well said Lance!!!  Those that continue to bring it up will just be banging their heads against a wall needlessly. I’m hoping Avidyne doesn’t feel the need to respond anymore until and if something ever changes. 
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Originally posted by LANCE LANCE wrote:

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Why would Avidyne waste precious engineering resources to solve a problem that doesn't exist? They already have a data solution that works and would have to re-certify a new solution - a complete waste of time for them.

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Getting back on topic, I am grateful that Avidyne is working with Jeppesen in creating bundles that are better priced and prefer to keep my mind focused on things much more positive and productive,


Hear, hear. Well put.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bob H Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Aug 2019 at 12:58pm
Originally posted by oskrypuch oskrypuch wrote:

Originally posted by LANCE LANCE wrote:

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Why would Avidyne waste precious engineering resources to solve a problem that doesn't exist? They already have a data solution that works and would have to re-certify a new solution - a complete waste of time for them.

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Getting back on topic, I am grateful that Avidyne is working with Jeppesen in creating bundles that are better priced and prefer to keep my mind focused on things much more positive and productive,


Hear, hear. Well put.

* Orest
And just to be clear about Jepp data;  "...they are outstanding products and work perfectly."
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Originally posted by oskrypuch oskrypuch wrote:

Originally posted by LANCE LANCE wrote:

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Why would Avidyne waste precious engineering resources to solve a problem that doesn't exist? They already have a data solution that works and would have to re-certify a new solution - a complete waste of time for them.

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Getting back on topic, I am grateful that Avidyne is working with Jeppesen in creating bundles that are better priced and prefer to keep my mind focused on things much more positive and productive,


Hear, hear. Well put.

* Orest

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An alternative data source would add zero functionality to my IFDs and has no priority for me. New functionality that allows me to fly approaches that I currently can't (but Garmin can) such as RF legs gives me new flying options and should be where Avidyne are placing their scarce resources. 
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 If you are happy with Jepp's almost non-existent web site, bad customer service and over-priced offerings, then an alternate source of data won't matter to you.

I too am glad that Avidyne has managed to negotiate better pricing for some packages and gain some clarity about what Jepp is offering Avidyne customers. If there were an alternative data source such as Seattle Avionics perhaps Jepp would make some effort to clean up their act.. Doubtful, of course, as they seem thoroughly bogged down in too many layers of management and much more concerned with selling data to corporate and airline customers than to GA pilots.

Like others, if there were another choice, I would switch in a minute. 


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Originally posted by Bob H Bob H wrote:

[QUOTE=Flyer2017]Avidyne listened to the users on this forum, worked with Jepp to negotiate better pricing (which couldn't have been easy), and even before the pricing is fully rolled out, the complaints about not having SA are already starting?  How about a courtesy hiatus until all the pricing is available?

I called Jepp today to ask about the "New Bundle Pricing"... 
  . New Bundle $887, Full US Charts (plus Nav, Obstacles, Terrain) but only single IFD540 and no more FF Jepp Charts, just IFD100 Jepp Charts.   No more FF Jepp Charts - This would be additional - $$199 from FF.

  . Old Bundle $940 includes Full US Charts (plus Nav, Obstacles, Terrain) allows for Dual IFD540's and FF Charts included.

I hope I am wrong, but unless you are willing to exchange your FF Jepp Charts for IFD100, Jepp Charts, the Old Bundle for dual IFD540's & FF seems like a much better deal!!

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Originally posted by n7ifr n7ifr wrote:

I called Jepp today to ask about the "New Bundle Pricing"... 

  . New Bundle $887, Full US Charts (plus Nav, Obstacles, Terrain) but only single IFD540 and no more FF Jepp Charts, just IFD100 Jepp Charts.   No more FF Jepp Charts - This would be additional - $$199 from FF. 

  . Old Bundle $940 includes Full US Charts (plus Nav, Obstacles, Terrain) allows for Dual IFD540's and FF Charts included. 

I hope I am wrong, but unless you are willing to exchange your FF Jepp Charts for IFD100, Jepp Charts, the Old Bundle for dual IFD540's & FF seems like a much better deal!! 

Tom W.

Did you go here before calling Jepp: https://pilotsupport.avidyne.com/kb/article/353-jeppesen-pricing-for-avidyne-equipment/

I see this published there: 

11089207

Integrated Bundled Services.Avidyne IFD Series.Aircraft Bundle.Full USA IFR.Bundle Fee

 $ 799

Unfortunately, Jepp customer service has not improved and they are not up to speed on the new pricing.  I would not trust anything they tell you unless it is confirmed by Avidyne.  Unfortunately for you and others, Steve indicated that FF support is a separate purchase.

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The bundle for full US, including charts (the one listed by Bob H) is $799. The description by Avidyne says:

The Integrated Bundled Services subscriptions at the bottom of the list cover not only your IFD's but your MFD as well and include the following. NavData, Obstacle, Terrain, Charts, & includes 2 mobile keys for the IFD100 app. 

It would be nice if the IFD100 seats could be used for other EFBs. I’d prefer to activate one on ForeFlight, though I can live with just using AeroNav charts. I can also just get the NavData package for $299 and get the Jepp charts through ForeFlight and come out ahead.
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I think I'm going to just do the NavData for $299 and use my IFLY GPS for charts (not a FF user, I tried it, but just can't get used to it).   Maybe every other year, or every three years do the full bundle so I can get charts that are newer just to have and also update the Obstacle and Terrain (especially since those do not change much at all year to year)

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I just got the full USA for $799.  Kinda bummed it won't work with Foreflight, but it's better deal than I paid last year $1000+.  

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Interesting that FF is not included, given that FF and Jepp are now integrating (e.g. Jepp Mobile FliteDeck VFR is being rolled into FF and stopped at the end of 2019 with only FF Mobile from 2020).

I'm not going to give up FF just to get charts included in the IFD bundle. As I understand it, the bundle with charts is still more expensive than navdata/obstacles without charts. If Jepp isn't able to give me a better IFD package including FF then I'll just stay as I am without the charts on the IFDs.

Also, if the above comparison "old bundle" vs "new bundle" is correct about the details, then the new bundle is actually more expensive than the old bundle, given that only one IFD is covered and no FF.

I think Jepp needs to try harder here. In fact, it almost looks like the Jepp group working with the in-panel providers like Avidyne aren't talking to the group working with FF on integration.


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The Jepp-FF (Boeing) marketing is a bit obtuse, but very successful.

Old Bundle is about $50 more expensive, includes Jepp Charts on Dual IFD's and FF.
New Bundle is cheaper, but of course, less included: One IFD, and Charts only on IFD100, but NO FF Jepp Charts.
     . To then add Jepp Charts in FF, another $199 plus higher level FF subscription ($299/yr)!!

If you are inclined to use IFD100 App for Jepp Charts and forego FF Jepp Charts,  New Bundle!

Otherwise, better to stick to OLD Bundle, keep using FF Jepp Charts... OR 

3. Go FlyQ (SA) with free NACO Charts and Cheap NACO Aspen panel Charts alternative.

At least we have lots of choices!

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Clarification question, because I haven't installed my IFD 540 yet. If I want to use the IFD100 app, do I actually need the bundle or does that just enable Jepp charts? I don't need charts in the IFD app, but I do want to use it for other things.


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You only need the bundle if you want the charts/approach plates. Fight plans, including approaches, only need the NavData subscription.

I find the IFD540 screen too small to effectively display approach plates on it. The IFD100 app might be OK, but I prefer to use ForeFlight on my iPad for the approach plates. These days, the AeroNav plates on FF are good enough for me for US use. I'd only need Jeppesen plates for the occasional trip outside the US.
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