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Topic: Wi-Fi password
Posted By: Psellati
Subject: Wi-Fi password
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2016 at 2:08pm
The latest version of firmware for the IFD540 (10.1.1.0) enables bluetooth and Wi-Fi. I can see the Wi-Fi network but I don't know the password key to gain access. Is it possible to receive the ads-b from the MLB100 (AKA Navworx) receiver for display in Wing-X on my iPAD?
Can I have the password for the Wi-Fi interface?



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Posted By: AviJake
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2016 at 2:17pm
Won't do you any good until the app makers release their apps. The Navworx wifi module does not work.

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Steve Jacobson
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Posted By: Psellati
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2016 at 2:22pm
Thx


Posted By: DavidBunin
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2016 at 9:03pm

Originally posted by AviJake AviJake wrote:

The Navworx wifi module does not work.

Perhaps a minor clarification...

Avidyne doesn't use the NavWorx Wi-Fi module.  The NavWorx Wi-Fi module itself actually works quite well.  It simply isn't a required interface in an Avidyne panel.

David Bunin



Posted By: AviJake
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2016 at 9:05pm
Agreed

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Steve Jacobson
sjacobson@avidyne.com


Posted By: Psellati
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2016 at 11:35am
Understood.

The question would then be why not provide access to the wireless network in the cockpit and thereby allowing peer to peer connectivity?



Posted By: AviJake
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2016 at 1:39pm
Maybe in the future but for now, it's a condition of the cert from the FAA for the two-way data flow.

We're trying to get the FAA more and more comfortable with all this interactive data whizzing around the airplane.


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Steve Jacobson
sjacobson@avidyne.com


Posted By: chflyer
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2016 at 2:23pm
Interesting that Avidyne is having trouble getting the FAA into a comfort zone on this after trying for so long when Garmin is saying that their Flight Stream can do 2-way transfer via wifi today of flight plans with even the old G430W/530W devices and ForeFlight, albeit with a $999 surcharge for the Flight Stream box ... "Flight Stream 210 adds the capability for flight plan syncing with the http://sites.garmin.com/gtn/" rel="nofollow - GTN 750/650 series and https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/prod301.html" rel="nofollow - GNS 430W/530W series navigators as well as the ability to display attitude information using an on-board AHRS¹." Or is this also just slideware? Looks real, with a 1-3 day delivery lead.

See here:  http://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/prod153681.html" rel="nofollow - http://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/prod153681.html



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Posted By: AviJake
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2016 at 2:29pm
Not quite.

Garmin is a Bluetooth data comm between 2 paired devices.
Avidyne uses Bluetooth for keyboard data entry but we use much more capable WiFi for airplane internal network and external out of the plane network communications.   This is very different in the minds of the cert authorities.   There are a number of other important differences that matter too but I'll leave them out for the purposes of this thread.


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Steve Jacobson
sjacobson@avidyne.com


Posted By: chflyer
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2016 at 2:49pm
Understood, and thanks for the clarification Steve. While choosing the wifi route for this type of exchange may result in a more full-function end-state, it does put Avidyne at a disadvantage when it comes to short term time to market wrt specific capability such as flight plan sync with ForeFlight. Given that this was announced 18mo ago, I'm sure you appreciate the frustration that Garmin is simply delivering the capability, especially for the old G430W/G530W boxes that the IFD's are meant to replace. Even with all the IFD capability, a customer can have the flight plan sync with ForeFlight today with the G430W/530W today and not yet with the IFD's.

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Vince


Posted By: chflyer
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2016 at 2:51pm
Just to be clear, I am a pre-buy IFD540/440 with the 540 installed and 440 to go in within the next month or so, so I've made my decision.... but even at $999 surcharge, it is painful to pull the 430W when it can get a capability (after 10yr) that the 440 does not yet have.



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Vince


Posted By: AviJake
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2016 at 2:54pm
Give us 2 weeks.

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Steve Jacobson
sjacobson@avidyne.com


Posted By: oskrypuch
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2016 at 5:42pm
Originally posted by AviJake AviJake wrote:

Give us 2 weeks.

Cool. 

And I for one, will give you even a little longer. ;-)

* Orest



Posted By: LANCE
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2016 at 6:43pm
Originally posted by AviJake AviJake wrote:

Not quite.

Garmin is a Bluetooth data comm between 2 paired devices.
Avidyne uses Bluetooth for keyboard data entry but we use much more capable WiFi for airplane internal network and external out of the plane network communications.   This is very different in the minds of the cert authorities.   There are a number of other important differences that matter too but I'll leave them out for the purposes of this thread.

Hmmm . . . .


Posted By: tony
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2016 at 7:50pm
So if 10.1.1 turns the Wi-Fi on, will it interfere with my Straus/foreflight connection?


Posted By: DavidBunin
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2016 at 8:50am
It shouldn't.  I've stayed in plenty of hotels where there were multiple wi-fi networks "in view" and it never had any affect on the one I connected to with my device.


Posted By: tony
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2016 at 11:56am
That's because in the hotel, the IT guy set up the wireless access points on different channels. 


Posted By: psimpson
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2016 at 1:40pm
I've flown with a Stratus and the only thing that happens is the Ipad shows the new network. The Stratus connects like it always did. Nothing to worry about.


Posted By: tony
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2016 at 1:49pm
thank you, that's what I was looking for.


Posted By: AUXAIR
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2016 at 2:45pm

Originally posted by AviJake AviJake wrote:

Give us 2 weeks.

I, for one, would be delighted to give you 2 weeks to get this capability!

Thanks



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David E.
Cessna 182 RG II


Posted By: LANCE
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2016 at 3:34pm
Actually 13 days now. : )


Posted By: LANCE
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2016 at 6:51pm
Originally posted by AviJake AviJake wrote:

Give us 2 weeks.

10 days have passed, 4 more to go . . . 


Posted By: AviJake
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2016 at 8:15pm
That's about right. That's when the app is scheduled to go to the Apple Store. Not sure how long it will take to clear the Apple police but it's really close.

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Steve Jacobson
sjacobson@avidyne.com


Posted By: brou0040
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2016 at 9:50pm
Can you tell us if you have anything non-Apple coming soon?


Posted By: oskrypuch
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2016 at 9:53pm
Originally posted by AviJake AviJake wrote:

That's about right. That's when the app is scheduled to go to the Apple Store....

Well, that may be something from a marketing perspective -- and if it is Apple only, that may be Foreflight, about the only product that is iOS only.

But for me and many others, Apple, Schmapple. Not something I can use.

* Orest



Posted By: AzAv8r
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2016 at 10:39pm
Not just Foreflight.  My wife ditched Foreflight for FlyQefb.   I can grok that, not so with Foreflight.  But...

 The ONLY time my wife swears is when she's using her iPhone or iPad, and the only time I swear is when I try to help her when her iPhone or iPad doesn't do what she expects.  Which is WAY too often.

Since a lot of us will not be using an apple product anytime soon - is there anything useful on the horizon?




Posted By: tony
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2016 at 6:24pm
orest, take a bite of the apple...... I promise, it wont hurt you.


Posted By: oskrypuch
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2016 at 7:06pm
Originally posted by tony tony wrote:

orest, take a bite of the apple...... I promise, it wont hurt you.

I truly disdain the "walled garden" approach of Apple. I also don't want to pay double for less flexibility, and then there is the whole iTunes nonsense. Not being able to move a file to my tablet, from a PC, without going through Apple headquarters is bizarre.

So, no, not for me.

* Orest



Posted By: paulr
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2016 at 7:10pm
Without slinging any poo about the relative merits of various platforms, both my own observations and market data from Avilution seem to tell me that a large majority of pilots who use tablets use iPads with Foreflight, so I would naturally expect Avi to focus their attention accordingly.


Posted By: AviJake
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2016 at 7:18pm
We've just  built a cool app that is designed to compile and run just fine on Windows, iOs, and Android.  So far, we have the iOS and Windows versions done and working on those platforms.   Running and testing on the android platform is just a matter of finding a device and time to go through the testing.   That hasn't been prioritized at this point.

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Steve Jacobson
sjacobson@avidyne.com


Posted By: brou0040
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2016 at 7:22pm
I don't have a problem with them focusing on Foreflight first, that should be the obvious first choice due to popularity and competition with Garmin since Foreflight already connects with them.

I just hope Avidyne realizes there a lot of non-Apple people that hopefully aren't forgotten.  Once ForeFlight is up and running, Avidyne would have a leg up on Garmin if they were the first to include non-apple tablet connectivity.

I'd think it would be obvious here, but saying to drink the apple juice is just like saying to drink the garmin juice, they are both closed overpriced systems.


Posted By: AviJake
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2016 at 7:25pm
I was using it on my Windows Surface Pro 4 all day today.   Works great (with 10.2 software).   It's coming....

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Steve Jacobson
sjacobson@avidyne.com


Posted By: brou0040
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2016 at 7:31pm
Originally posted by AviJake AviJake wrote:

Running and testing on the android platform is just a matter of finding a device

How about a Samsung Galaxy Tab 8.9 ;)
If it's the IFD app concept, I may get something like a Nexus 7 for that.


Posted By: AviJake
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2016 at 7:33pm
It'll have to wait.  We're pulling the oars are hard as we can to get Rel 10.2 across the finish line right now.

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Steve Jacobson
sjacobson@avidyne.com


Posted By: oskrypuch
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2016 at 8:37pm
Originally posted by AviJake AviJake wrote:

It'll have to wait.  We're pulling the oars are hard as we can to get Rel 10.2 across the finish line right now.

<sigh>

Hmm, the Surface is a "solid" 2% of the market (and $1200 each) a distant #3. And iPads are #2. 

But I digress.

* Orest



Posted By: oskrypuch
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2016 at 8:38pm
Originally posted by AviJake AviJake wrote:

...  Running and testing on the android platform is just a matter of finding a device and time to go through the testing.   That hasn't been prioritized at this point.

Happy to donate hardware, and time testing the app.

* Orest




Posted By: sikhpilotmd
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2016 at 8:34am
Hmm, if it works on the surface, would it work on other windows tablets as well. I have a small 7 inch cheap tablet from Micro Center which I use to update the databases


Posted By: AviJake
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2016 at 8:34am
Yup.

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Steve Jacobson
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Posted By: sikhpilotmd
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2016 at 8:44am
👍 Can't wait to try it out then


Posted By: brou0040
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2016 at 10:59am
Can you say what hardware the tablet will need?  Specifically, does will the tablet require it's own GPS or is GPS information passed via wifi?


Posted By: AviJake
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2016 at 11:03am
No, there are too many things in minor flux to make those statements yet.  That should crispen up in a month or so.


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Steve Jacobson
sjacobson@avidyne.com


Posted By: DavidBunin
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2016 at 6:50am
Originally posted by oskrypuch oskrypuch wrote:

Not being able to move a file to my tablet, from a PC, without going through Apple headquarters is bizarre.


That does sound bizarre.  I sure don't do it that way.

I have two methods for sending files between my (PC) computers and my IOs portable devices.
1) I email the file to myself.
2) I use my Dropbox folder.

I don't believe that any of my stuff goes to Apple HQ.

David Bunin


Posted By: chflyer
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2016 at 8:15am
There is an easier way David, using iExplorer. I've moved away from dropbox for security reasons. Tresorit has better security for what dropbox does. If you have goodreader, they also have a usb explorer which accomplishes the same thing if you want to move a file into goodreader on the ios device. I have all my aircraft docs on my ipad under goodreader, including parts & svc manual, poh, afm, avionics im & pg manuals, etc.

Orest likely doesn't have the problem as he is not an apple user.

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Posted By: oskrypuch
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2016 at 11:24am
Originally posted by DavidBunin DavidBunin wrote:

.

I have two methods for sending files between my (PC) computers and my IOs portable devices.
1) I email the file to myself.
2) I use my Dropbox folder.

I don't believe that any of my stuff goes to Apple HQ.

David Bunin

Both of those methods require you to move the file to the cloud, perhaps not iTunes, but somewhere in the cloud. You can't move a file directly to an iOS device, without that file leaving the confines of your immediate environment, which to me is undesirable. It is hardly the only issue, but that really smacks of the flavor and nature of the iOS environment that I really dislike.

I can plug my phone or tablet directly into my laptop, and direct transfer, back & forth. It uses this cool new connection mode, called "USB". ;-) 

Or I can use NFC.

But, before I get swarmed by Applelites, listen, I get it. A lot of folks like the cozy, controlling environment of Apple,. But, it is just not for me, far too paternalistic and restrictive.

* Orest



Posted By: ddgates
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2016 at 11:26am
There are some devices, for example SanDisk Ixtend, which allows limited file exchange between the external environment and iOS devices, but that exchange is both scripted and limited.




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David Gates


Posted By: TomH
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2016 at 8:32pm
Originally posted by AviJake AviJake wrote:

That's about right. That's when the app is scheduled to go to the Apple Store. Not sure how long it will take to clear the Apple police but it's really close.

Without seeming ungrateful at the prospect of what's coming and fully understanding you're at the mercy of Apple's approval process... can you give us any update now that we're a few days past the app being submitted?


Posted By: AviJake
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2016 at 8:35pm
Fair enough.  A few of us at Avidyne have the beta apps on our iPads.  We found a few issues that (your favorite) vendor is fixing now and expect to upload to Apple within a day or three for their vetting and posting on the Apple Store.


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Steve Jacobson
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Posted By: TomH
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2016 at 9:26pm
Originally posted by AviJake AviJake wrote:

Fair enough.  A few of us at Avidyne have the beta apps on our iPads.  We found a few issues that (your favorite) vendor is fixing now and expect to upload to Apple within a day or three for their vetting and posting on the Apple Store.

VERY exciting! Thanks.


Posted By: pburger
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2016 at 9:45pm
Originally posted by oskrypuch oskrypuch wrote:


Both of those methods require you to move the file to the cloud, perhaps not iTunes, but somewhere in the cloud. You can't move a file directly to an iOS device, without that file leaving the confines of your immediate environment, which to me is undesirable. It is hardly the only issue, but that really smacks of the flavor and nature of the iOS environment that I really dislike.

I can plug my phone or tablet directly into my laptop, and direct transfer, back & forth. It uses this cool new connection mode, called "USB". ;-) 

Or I can use NFC.

But, before I get swarmed by Applelites, listen, I get it. A lot of folks like the cozy, controlling environment of Apple,. But, it is just not for me, far too paternalistic and restrictive.

* Orest


Orest -- You can plug an iPhone or iPad directly into a PC and move files to and from.  I do it with pictures all the time.   You can also use "app file sharing" with some apps.  You drag the files from your PC to the device.  Yes, this app file sharing requires iTunes, but it doesn't involve the cloud.  I use this technique to move my private IAPs to Foreflight.  No, Apple devices are not as wide open and flexible as Android devices, but it's not exactly as you describe.  You are very quick to talk about the limitations of hardware that you do not use on a regular basis.  We all get that you are not a fan boy, but dude, why the hate?


Posted By: MysticCobra
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2016 at 10:23pm
Sigh...why does every Apple discussion have to devolve into fanboys vs. haters?  

Yes, there are (some) ways to transfer (some) files to/from iOS devices but none are as basic/simple/straightforward as plugging in the device to any arbitrary PC and commence dragging-and-dropping arbitrary files into arbitrary folders as if it's just an external storage device like you can do with Android.  

It's simply personal preference, and there are lots of persons out there with said preference.  Preference, even very strong preference, does not equal hate.


Posted By: chflyer
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2016 at 2:54am
Originally posted by oskrypuch oskrypuch wrote:



You can't move a file directly to an iOS device, without that file leaving the confines of your immediate environment, which to me is undesirable.



Orest,
Without getting into the Apple vs MS, etc discussion, that isn't correct. As I mentioned, there are at least 3 ways to move a file directly from a Windows or Mac PC directly to an iOS device via USB cable:
1) iTunes direct to an iOS app via USB cable and drag-and-drop from the pc explorer window to the device's app file directory under iTunes (file sharing section)
2) GoodreaderUSB - opens the Goodreader directory on the iOS device where any file can be dragged from a pc explorer window
3) iExplorer - allows locally moving files into and out of the iTunes and iOS environments without cloud access.

BTW, iCloud is not a prerequisite to using iTunes or iOS devices (I don't use it). iTunes and the Apple store are though.






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Posted By: oskrypuch
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2016 at 9:29am
Originally posted by MysticCobra MysticCobra wrote:

Sigh...why does every Apple discussion have to devolve into fanboys vs. haters?  

Yes, there are (some) ways to transfer (some) files to/from iOS devices but none are as basic/simple/straightforward as plugging in the device to any arbitrary PC and commence dragging-and-dropping arbitrary files into arbitrary folders as if it's just an external storage device like you can do with Android.  

It's simply personal preference, and there are lots of persons out there with said preference.  Preference, even very strong preference, does not equal hate.

Thank you Mystic.


And, upthread someone suggested I give Apple a try, I explained why I didn't like the platform, no emotion involved, just personal preference.

Now let's get back to Avidyne discussions.

* Orest



Posted By: LANCE
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2016 at 3:37pm
Originally posted by AviJake AviJake wrote:

Give us 2 weeks.

Any news on the App yet?


Posted By: AviJake
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2016 at 4:54pm
Those of us who have the beta's on our mobile devices are very happy with it's current state.  There was one more bug to fix by the App vendor and then they were going to make the Apple store submission as far I know.

I'm sure Avidyne Sales and Marketing will broadcast the news quite loudly the second it's downloadable - they have the transmission material all ready to go with a quivering finger hovering over the "Enter" key.


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Posted By: khuffine
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2016 at 5:32pm
Sun and fun is coming...I bet it will be filled with Sweet new items for us Pilot boys...Just like Christmas!!  Whats new under the tree.... I'll take one!!

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Posted By: AviJake
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2016 at 5:59pm
Oh, I think you'll like SnF.  Hope you've been a good boy.....

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Steve Jacobson
sjacobson@avidyne.com


Posted By: skitheo
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2016 at 5:34pm
Orest, you've been making great points. Having set up a dev environment for CI of an iOS app, I became a bit more familiar with the whole Apple universe. 

Things I appreciate:
* MacOS is based on BSD
* All the underpinnings on MacOS are essentially text files
* It's not MS

Things I do not appreciate:
* Extreme control of everything going on their systems
* Huge royalties to sell compatible devices connecting to iOS devices

AviJake: Avidyne is ignoring over 60% of the mobile devices in use. Catch up. iOS is second place. Surface is a no-show.

I'm no fan of Google, either. But that's another topic.


Posted By: DavidBunin
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2016 at 12:36pm
Originally posted by skitheo skitheo wrote:

Avidyne is ignoring over 60% of the mobile devices in use. Catch up. iOS is second place. Surface is a no-show.


Couple of things.

1) Avidyne isn't making the apps.  So the accusation may be misplaced.
2) iOS is far from being second-place in the aviation usage of tablets.

David Bunin



Posted By: oskrypuch
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2016 at 1:10pm
Originally posted by DavidBunin DavidBunin wrote:

....
1) Avidyne isn't making the apps.  So the accusation may be misplaced.
2) iOS is far from being second-place in the aviation usage of tablets.


Indeed, Avidyne is not the producer of the app under discussion, nothing to do with them.

Given that that one producer has steadfastly stuck with iOS, if you want to use it, you have to go iOS, and as that one app is popular, that does skew iOS usage in the cockpit. But, they are perhaps the only major EFB so inclined, there are many other choices.

As far as in hand, what people actually own and use everyday, it is at least 6 to 1 in favor of android handsets, and android tablets are now in the majority as well.

* Orest



Posted By: skitheo
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2016 at 2:10pm
Originally posted by AviJake AviJake wrote:

We've just  built a cool app that is designed to compile and run just fine on Windows, iOs, and Android.  So far, we have the iOS and Windows versions done and working on those platforms.   Running and testing on the android platform is just a matter of finding a device and time to go through the testing.   That hasn't been prioritized at this point.

This is what I was referring to in my statement regarding Avidyne. If Avidyne is not publishing the above described app, then please translate the above for those of us who are literal.


Posted By: ddgates
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2016 at 4:57pm
More than one app..... that's what I read in the statements made so far.

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Posted By: LANCE
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2016 at 5:31pm
Regardless of which platform you prefer, the ones using iOS as pilots far outweigh the ones using Android - otherwise they wouldn't be doing it in iOS. Foreflight only available in iOS proves that.


Posted By: oskrypuch
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2016 at 6:05pm
Originally posted by LANCE LANCE wrote:

Regardless of which platform you prefer, the ones using iOS as pilots far outweigh the ones using Android - otherwise they wouldn't be doing it in iOS. Foreflight only available in iOS proves that.

No, not at all, actually it was the other way around. Just because all users using FF, use iOS, does not make it the prevalent platform. But sure, having a popular EFB in iOS only, did sell a bunch of Apple tablets.

* Orest



Posted By: skitheo
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2016 at 6:24pm
Originally posted by LANCE LANCE wrote:

Regardless of which platform you prefer, the ones using iOS as pilots far outweigh the ones using Android - otherwise they wouldn't be doing it in iOS. Foreflight only available in iOS proves that.

I believe the odds would be in my favor to say that you don't have the data to support that assertion, other than some anecdotal experiences with some other pilots. 

What percentage of the AOPA membership (i.e. GA pilots) who use smart phones have iPhones vs. other? How many would skip buying the iPad if they could buy an Android tablet instead and be able to use their phone as a backup EFB? How many would rather have a non-iOS device, but bought one because a certain app which Orest mentions is only available on iOS?

Until you can answer those market questions, I believe you are making market choices based on 4-to-6-year-old data. The market has shifted dramatically in the last two years.

As somewhat of a proxy, we can look at the iTunes reviews and Google Play reviews for Garmin Pilot. There are slightly more reviews on iTunes than Google Play. Considering that the iOS version of Garmin Pilot is about 6 months older (and maybe slightly more featured), Lance's assertion is shaky at best. Definitely FF has sold many iPads.




Posted By: skitheo
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2016 at 6:35pm
Funny thing: About 18 months ago at a previous employer I had a similar discussion with a product manager in the early stages of a product definition that included connectivity to mobile devices. He told me the target market segment was dominated by iOS devices. 3 months later, new data showed the opposite and he conceded to me that iOS was now eclipsed.


Posted By: paulr
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2016 at 6:56pm
Tedious discussion which I, nonetheless, lack the discipline to just ignore.

Any discussion of generalized market share in mobile devices is worthless unless you're Apple, Samsung, AT&T, etc. What matters is the market share of devices in your target market. The number of Kindle Fire HDs (or other low-end Android devices) sold to parents of small children, to cite just one example that has a large influence on overall market share, has precisely nada to do with how many pilots own which types of devices.

The real question to ask is: what is the market share among pilots for these devices? None of us here have the answer. Anecdotes are not data.

The only data point I can share is that, based on court documents filed in the Avilution lawsuit epic, they had about 1200 paying subscribers as of last year. I would imagine that WingX and Garmin have many more than that, of course (and there are probably other Android EFB apps I'm not familiar with adding to the pool).  

Ask yourself this: if the Android tablet market is such fertile ground, where's the Foreflight equivalent-- and I don't count G* since, AFAICT, their apps are primarily meant to be companions / halos for their hardware business. Where's the market dominant / feature leader of the Android EFB market? Is there one? (These are honest questions since I am not familiar with the Android market).

(If you actually want to see some real data on this, start with http://www.pewinternet.org/2013/06/10/tablet-ownership-2013/. ComScore has tons of demographic usage data too. Perhaps read up on Christian Rudder's analytics on iOS vs Android market share among OkCupid users if you want a good laugh, too.)


Posted By: tony
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2016 at 7:54pm
We could always take an unscientific poll here on the forum.  I have IOS.  I have IOS because I wanted foreflight. 


Posted By: AviJake
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2016 at 8:14pm
Guys!   Who cares?

We're building the apps to work in all environments/platforms that have been mentioned.   We don't have unlimited resources so we picked the order.   The wheels are all in motion and there isn't anything anyone can say that will influence or change the plan.

It's an awesome app and it's free.    You are virtually guaranteed to have it run in your environment of choice.

Okay, I'm signing off from this  thread now (to go work on those apps.....)


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Steve Jacobson
sjacobson@avidyne.com


Posted By: oskrypuch
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2016 at 10:36pm
Originally posted by AviJake AviJake wrote:

....
Okay, I'm signing off from this  thread now (to go work on those apps.....)

Good idea.

* Orest

P.S.  Maybe a bit of work on the android version of the simulator too.  ;-)



Posted By: LANCE
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2016 at 9:07am
Originally posted by AviJake AviJake wrote:

Give us 2 weeks.


zzzzz . . . .


Posted By: AviJake
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2016 at 9:10am
Been waiting for the pimp....we're all set - the main vendor had a setback with their release not related to Avidyne support. They claim to be really close so we'll see. Another vendor should have their release hit the streets next week too.

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Steve Jacobson
sjacobson@avidyne.com


Posted By: TomH
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2016 at 4:18pm
Originally posted by AviJake AviJake wrote:

Been waiting for the pimp....we're all set - the main vendor had a setback with their release not related to Avidyne support. They claim to be really close so we'll see. Another vendor should have their release hit the streets next week too.

Perhaps there is an update to share, perhaps not... but inquiring minds remain curious. We understand it's mostly out of your control however you may know if said vendor has corrected their setback. I assume it'll be v7.6?


Posted By: chflyer
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2016 at 6:01pm
Originally posted by AviJake AviJake wrote:

Give us 2 weeks.

That was Jan04. There must have been a typo here and it should have read 2 months (or maybe 2 quarters?).

This clearly isn't what the NTSB had in mind when they requested the FAA to lighten certification processes to allow faster technology uptake and improved safety. Not clear that the FAA got the message yet. It must be frustrating to have the functionality ready for so long but unable to release just due to paperwork.



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Vince


Posted By: pburger
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2016 at 9:54am
to quote Tom Petty, "the waiting is the hardest part....."


Posted By: fritz
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2016 at 8:16pm
FltPlan.com latest app release which is compatable with Avisyne per the release notes.  However neither the FltPlan.com documentation nor the IFD540 manual provide details on how to connect to the IFD540 wifi.  

Please advise.



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