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    Posted: 02 Oct 2019 at 6:50pm
When my plane goes under the knife for the Aspen Max upgrade, I am contemplating some other changes and am looking for opinions.

I currently have the wretched SkyTrax100 ADS-B receiver that doesn't play nice with my Aspen so that I had to pick the Hazard Awareness unlock instead of the ADS-B one.  I am thinking about replacing it with the L3 NGT900R remote unit.  What I understand from conversations and pictures in the newest operating manual is that it works from the IFD interface.  Anyone have any experience with it?  It will also allow me to remove the Stratus II and its antennas since the L3 unit works wirelessly too.

I am also going to replace my STEC30 with either the TruTrak Vision or the STEC55X upgrade.  Both units are close to the same price installed.  Looking for pros and cons of each. I know that the 55X has really nice interoperability with the Aspen.

Removing the AXP340 and replacing it with the NGT9000 remote unit frees up space on the panel for the 55X head unit without having to move stuff around.

At the same time I will be replacing the stock Cessna fuel sending units with the CIES digital units.  That will require that my JPI EDM900 be returned to JPI to have it converted.  At least once on every flight, the old sending units, although rebuilt, crap out and set off the anunciatior light.  They will also set it up to add a carb temp probe.


Edited by Kentucky Captain - 02 Oct 2019 at 6:51pm
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I recently did things very similar to what you are doing.  IFD550 paired with Lynx NGT9000+ with an Aspen Pro1000 - I’m in line for the MAX upgrade.  I removed my S-Tec50 autopilot and installed the Avidyne DFC90 since it works with the S-Tex servos in my Bonanza.   It is an amazing autopilot and works beautifully with the IFD and Aspen.   I, too, will be replacing my fuel senders when they do my MAX install.  I have an JPI830 and may upgrade to the 900 at that time as well.  Check out the DFC90.  If I works with your airplane get it, it is much better than the 55X. 
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Unfortunately the DFC90 seems to be end of life, in that Avidyne is not working on adding any aircraft to the AML. I have a Cessna Hawk XP with an Avidyne panel and Stec 30, and would love to replace the Stec with the DFC90 but don't have any expectation that will ever happen.

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At this point, I can't decide which way to go.

Do I do the STEC55X refurb upgrade from my STEC30 and stay with old technology of being rate based or do I jump ship and go with the TRUTRAK VIZION and get onboard the digital age?

The only down side that I'm seeing with going with the TruTrak is:

TruTrak will only do GPS approaches, no VOR or ILS.  That is not a deal breaker for me since I almost always shoot GPS approaches anyway.  Looking at my logbook, the only ILS or VOR approaches that I have done in the last 4 years was for training.  On another note, I have heard that since I have an Aspen EFIS that I can still do the VOR and ILS approaches since the autopilot gets its info from the Aspen.  Any thoughts?

The heading bug does work thru the Aspen but I understand that the altitude preselect does not at this time.  It must be set on the TruTrak unit.  Any word on if that has been rectified yet?

The TruTrak is slightly more expensive than the 55X upgrade ($1200) but still not a deal breaker.
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That is a tough one!

I'm very happy with my STEC 55x/ASPEN combo. Full integration, and does most everything I need, FD/VLOC/HDG/GPSS/intercept modes, and you can run LNAV alone or LNAV+VNAV. It is rate based, but with properly working servos I've never seen that as a problem. It does lack an IAS mode and a recovery button.

That said, B-K is going to be developing the TruTrak, adding in stuff that is missing, it has a bright future, and the B-K would be new.

The DFC-90 would be ideal, but it is not going to happen.

There is also the STEC 3100. Priciest option. Has everything, but firmware is still a mite buggy. They are working hard to fix it.

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The Aspen does not fully integrate digitally with the 3100.  When that finally happens (with the necessary Aspen software upgrade), it should be an excellent and very robust combination for those of us with an existing S-TEC autopilot (I too have the S-TEC 30).

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p.s.  I also have the panel-mounted NGT-9000 and really like how that works.  I'll be curious to see how the remote version works out with the IFD.
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Originally posted by AZ Flyer AZ Flyer wrote:

p.s.  I also have the panel-mounted NGT-9000 and really like how that works.  I'll be curious to see how the remote version works out with the IFD.


At this point, If I choose to replace my Stec30 with the TruTrak in the same hole, I have no need to conserve center stack space.  I can pull the SkyTrax100 (remote mounted) and the AXP340 and use the panel mount NGT9000 and get all the cool glass.  Anybody need a good deal on a fairly new AXP340?
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Originally posted by AZ Flyer AZ Flyer wrote:

The Aspen does not fully integrate digitally with the 3100.  When that finally happens (with the necessary Aspen software upgrade), it should be an excellent and very robust combination for those of us with an existing S-TEC autopilot (I too have the S-TEC 30).


I would really like the 3100 but it is not STC'd for my C172.  Neither is the Avidyne DFC autopilot.
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Originally posted by oskrypuch oskrypuch wrote:

That is a tough one!

I'm very happy with my STEC 55x/ASPEN combo. Full integration, and does most everything I need, FD/VLOC/HDG/GPSS/intercept modes, and you can run LNAV alone or LNAV+VNAV. It is rate based, but with properly working servos I've never seen that as a problem. It does lack an IAS mode and a recovery button.

That said, B-K is going to be developing the TruTrak, adding in stuff that is missing, it has a bright future, and the B-K would be new.

The DFC-90 would be ideal, but it is not going to happen.

There is also the STEC 3100. Priciest option. Has everything, but firmware is still a mite buggy. They are working hard to fix it.

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I'm really leaning towards the TruTrak but trying to find videos and/or documentation on its interoperablity with the Aspen Max is painful.

My understanding and I'm looking for confirmation on:

TruTrak enables the flight director on the Aspen.  Heard it, haven't seen it.

The Aspen Max has heading bug control of the autopilot.  Is there anything that has to be done on the TruTrak before you can roll the heading bug and it command the autopilot?

TruTrak does not currently allow altitude pre-select from the Aspen.  Heard it was in the works?

What is the procedure for coupling for an approach.  I haven't seen one video that goes through it at all.  The TruTrak documenation doesn't touch on it very well.  It would be nice to see a flight that shows how they work from take-off, climb, cruise, descent, and approach to get the feel of the process.  I would hate to get it all installed and then really hate the procedure that you have to use to make it work.

I'm looking at mid november or December for the upgrade.  The Aspen Max will have a 3 week turn-around time so I thought that I could get all of these things done at the same time:

Aspen Max upgrade
replace autopilot
replace ADS-B solution
replace stock Cessna fuel senders with CIES ones
send JPI EDM900 back for digital conversion and add carb temp

Carpenter Avionics in Smyrna TN will be doing the work.

Looking forward to command bars and vnav.  BTW Oskrypuch, the Boeing Banana is pretty cool.  Did you see where the Aspen Max will have one also called the Altitude Intercept Arc?  I'm guessing it is based on the altitude that you have displayed in the Aspen altitude alerter.
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Originally posted by Kentucky Captain Kentucky Captain wrote:

BTW Oskrypuch, the Boeing Banana is pretty cool.  Did you see where the Aspen Max will have one also called the Altitude Intercept Arc?  I'm guessing it is based on the altitude that you have displayed in the Aspen altitude alerter.


Very cool, and powerful. And yes, on the ASPEN it is based on the ASPEN altitude preselect -- so you have to be cognizant of the difference with the IFD.

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I've been looking at the BK Aerocruze 230 as it will use the existing servos from my KFC 150 but for some reason it won't work with the new KI 300 yet which I plan to install so I'll  add the autopilot sometime in the future when it is approved.
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Originally posted by teeth6 teeth6 wrote:

I've been looking at the BK Aerocruze 230 as it will use the existing servos from my KFC 150 but for some reason it won't work with the new KI 300 yet which I plan to install so I'll  add the autopilot sometime in the future when it is approved.
That is a neat looking unit but unfortunately it looks like a no/go for the C172


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That is a neat looking unit but unfortunately it looks like a no/go for the C172
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I'm surprised.  The Trinidad is on their STC list so I would have assumed a C172 would be also.
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