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    Posted: 01 Jan 2019 at 7:17pm
Reality XP provides sim products for plug-in to x-plane for both the GNS and GTN series GPS nav/coms. This really helps to integrate the GPS nav/com into the proficiency practice of the x-plane sim. Has anyone heard if this company or another has any plans to incorporate an IFD sim into x-plane?

The IFD Trainer is very useful and much appreciated for learning unit operation and testing what-if scenarios at home. But having the unit in a full-blown sim such as x-plane for keeping up IR proficiency on a cold winter day would allow practice of IFD use in realistic simulated IFR environment.

Perhaps Reality XP might perceive a market for the product if they were to be bombarded with requests from the IFD user community (hint, hint). The GTN product costs about $50 and an IFD plug for x-plane would certainly be worth as much.

I would hope that Avidyne would be ready to support such a 3rd party effort to the extent of making information available for development of such a plug-in....  IFDs were popping up in x-plane simulators all over the place could give considerable free advertising in the form of exposure to a lot of pilots.
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See this thread:  http://forums.avidyne.com/ifd540-integration-into-training-simulators_topic479.html?KW=x%2Dplane

Doesn't look like it will happen any time soon (no software hooks in the simulator), although I agree it would be nice.  
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@ AZ Flyer: Vince contributed to the thread linked above, back in 2016 and 2017.

However, I'm not going to let this topic die. There is still demand. Accept and feed data to/from the instrument sim from/to a flight sim. Preferably over TCP or UDP/IP. That way the IFD sim can be on a different device than the flight sim. I fly X-Plane 11 on a Linux machine, so am not thrilled with the idea of Windows-only or MS FS-only solution.

@togadriver has the expertise to assist.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote TogaDriver Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Aug 2019 at 10:08am
TCP/IP, please.  UDP is a pain.  And, yes, if Avi puts some hooks in the sim to supply GPS location info TO it, and then output the 429 data in some format (preferably not in 429 sentences) I could probably build the plug-in(s) to support it.  

The Plug-In SDK indicates that each platform needs its own compiled plug-in which means 3 implementations and three sets of testing hurdles.  Since I'm mac based, I could code and test the mac one, but do not have x-plane running on the other two platforms.

Short answer:  if the hooks ever get put in the iPad app I'll give it a whirl for the Mac OS and make the code public so others could port it to Windoz and Linux.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote HenryM Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Aug 2019 at 5:50pm
I would be first in line to buy such a plug-in! It would be worth more to me than most of the airplane plug-ins you can currently buy. 

Next, it would be nice if the simulator showed up on the panel of the plane I'm flying or if RealSimGear provided a panel 
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I agree that an IFD plug in for X-Plane would be incredibly useful.  I would gladly pay $100-200 if it worked well.
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Originally posted by todoftempe todoftempe wrote:

I agree that an IFD plug in for X-Plane would be incredibly useful.  I would gladly pay $100-200 if it worked well.


Me too.
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I think they are getting close.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNDwHtkBD0Q
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote chflyer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Feb 2020 at 3:39pm
Yes, that's the video posted in the "IFD integration into simulators" thread. But it looks like one needs to remove the actual unit from the aircraft and wire it to the sim, something I think has significant risk if done often. At least there is some progress though.
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Originally posted by chflyer chflyer wrote:

Yes, that's the video posted in the "IFD integration into simulators" thread. But it looks like one needs to remove the actual unit from the aircraft and wire it to the sim, something I think has significant risk if done often. At least there is some progress though.


Agree. Not something I'm willing to do. We need to be able to connect to the instrument simulator application. That should be easier than connecting all of the wiring to a harness and thence to a USB->RS-232 adapter.
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How hard would it be to slide an IFD550 out?  I do not know how the wiring works in the back.  Does it slide into a "back plane" type connector or are there many different cable that have to be removed from the back of the unit?
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Some turns of a hex key, and it slides out very easily, like most other avionics.

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Yes, it slides out easily same as the GNS boxes. I did it quite a bit with my GNS430W due to the effort to enter user waypoints and flight plans. However, one needs to be VERY careful sliding it back in as any pin misalignment during reinsertion of the plugs (DB-style) can easily cause one or more bent pins. It is sometimes removed for software updates at my avionics shop if the tech is not in the area and can do it in the plane which is always preferable. But the idea of constantly removing and reinserting just to use with a sim seems asking for trouble if you ask me.

I queried RealSimGear about Avidyne support, given their coverage of a wide range of Garmin gear and their response was quick:
"We have had a few requests lately for Avidyne products, however there is no software available to run them at the moment.  We always like to hear from people about the types of products they would find useful, as we regularly discuss what to work on next, so we appreciate you getting in touch.  

We will most likely took to find a software solution and add some Avidyne products in the near future."

Anyone on the forum wanting x-plane support for Avidyne avionics should definitely write to them to express interest. The squeaky wheel gets the grease and the more interest that is expressed the likelier they are to put something out for us.

https://realsimgear.com/

  

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Although short of the highly-desired integration into X-Plane or FS, I recently discovered simulation/training capability that may or may not be widely known:

1) Run the IFD trainer on one iPad (I use a 2d generation Mini),

2) Run the IFD100 app on another iPad connected to the same network as the first iPad (I use an 11" iPad Pro for this),

3) Once those are connected, start Foreflight on the iPad running the IFD100 app.  When this is done, the IFD, and another device called ADS-B, show as devices in the Foreflight tab.  And Foreflight tracks the simulated flight just as it would any normal flight with altitudes, tracking, etc. functioning (although I don't think the simulated traffic shows in Foreflight, which is fine with me).

I knew about 1) and 2) but not about 3).  I find this useful for a variety of reasons, including testing the IFD100 app (which seems to work great), but also using the geo-referenced approach charts and the simultaneous split synvis screen in Foreflight.  As I don't have charts on my IFD, I rely on Foreflight for my charts and so this is essentially how I use the iPad running Foreflight in the real plane (although, of course, it is not necessary to run IFD100 on the iPad in the airplane in order for Foreflight to connect to the IFD).

One of the interesting tests is to see how long it takes when switching between the IFD100 app and Foreflight before the active app syncs with the trainer.  It is never instantaneous, the quickest I've observed is about three seconds, and it can take up to six or seven seconds for the IFD100 app to fully sync with the IFD when switched from Foreflight (and about the same visa versa).

It would be great if there could be faster switching between the two (the IFD100 app and Foreflight), or even better, to permit both to be fully functioning simultaneously so there would be no lag and even displayed in separate windows at the same time.  Of course, the iPad used would have to support multitasking, but that capability has been standard on at least the iPad Pros since their initial release some years ago.  I would assume that both Foreflight and the IFD100 app would also have to be multitasking-enabled for this to work.





Edited by AZ Flyer - 08 Feb 2020 at 5:15pm
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