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AviSteve
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If only that always happened...
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Steve Lindsley
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Updating software should not be a complicated or feared process.
While there are many ways for updates to fail, they should not be catastrophic. Properly engineered, the update process should be nearly automatic with safe guards to prevent glitches. In other words, routine. Just sayin'
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I upgraded my unit from 10.2.3.1 to 10.2.4.1 without any issues, the
whole process took under 25 minutes once all the listed pre-checks were
completed (took pictures of the configuration screens for reference).
When all was done I went through the config pages and everything look
correct.....easy peasy...
I do agree with you that the loss of power or some other screw up shouldn't render the unit bricked. Although it is probably way too late to change the IFD units but it would be nice if the units had some sort of "fail safe" boot mode that would allow them to load a specialized recovery image, or contain enough storage flash in the unit to hold the current and a previous version of code, if the current version won't boot simply fall back to the previous version. Jeff
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Steve, Please post the link here or email me the link when it becomes available. I refuse to use Facebook. I installed the IFD 540 from straight outta the box in an EAB RV-10. I wired the tray and all connections to the EFIS/ARINC 429 etc. this was not a Garmin replacement. I have updated both of the microSD cards in the unit as well, ask Christine for more details if needed. I would like to stay current with the updates as Avidyne rolls them out. Appreciate the help. Thanks, John
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<<< ask Christine for more details if needed.>>>>>
Christine is no longer with Avidyne
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Spongebob38
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Ouch, I wasn't aware of that, but then again it was July 2018 when I last spoke with her. Nearly two years ago. Crazy how time flies! pun intended :-) john
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Bob H
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While there are many ways for updates to fail, they
should not be catastrophic. Properly engineered, the update process should be nearly
automatic with safe guards to prevent glitches. In other words, routine. Just sayin' I suppose anything is possible. It’s easy being on the outside looking in and
finding fault. I think Avidyne has done
a marvelous job of engineering the IFD architecture. So, I’m of the camp that trusts they know
what they are doing. There are consequences
of adding additional hardware and software.
Those must be weighed heavily against the primary functionality of the
IFDs. It is a compromise, especially
with flight safety being such a priority. Perhaps they have found the right balance which is to all of our advantage. |
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Although these boxes were never intended to be consumer-level products, so I'm not sure that fool-proof updating was ever in the cards. Although we tend to think of hardware memory as virtually limitless (which it effectively is), the coding needed to accomplish what you are suggesting is anything but trivial. And as soon as you add the additional layer of complexity needed to shield users from ID10T errors, the likelihood of unintended consequences and additional errors goes up dramatically. So if keeping it simpler in fact reduces the potential for errors, then I'm all for that, even if it means some inconvenience and additional cost at update time. |
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Stan
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Gring
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Is there a new Pilot guide available? The one on the Avidyne website has an April 2019 release date. I noticed a new setting in the user setup page called Zoom (on/off). It is the first selection in the list and I’d like to know what it does.
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Randy
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You have just argued BOTH sides of the issue. Congrats. Regards, Randy
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AZ Flyer
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No, not really. It should have been clear from what I wrote that "keeping it simpler" means keeping the code simpler, not necessarily the updating process. But if that was not clear, then I'll make it clear now: keep the code as simple as possible without gumming it up with a firewall that tries to anticipate and prevent all possible forms of updating errors. The latter effort would, in my opinion, be a losing time- and resource-wasting process. But then again I don't make these decisions, so YMMV.
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Stan
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There is another dynamic at work here, as well, and that has to do with company size and resources. For instance, Microsoft and Apple each have market capitalizations in the $1 trillion neighborhood and more than 130,000 employees. Same with Boeing (although its market cap is "only" about $200 billion). And we are painfully aware of the difficulties these companies routinely have at getting software updates and features to function properly.
Closer to home, Garmin has a market cap of about $19 billion and 13,000 employees. Avidyne, at its largest had maybe 300 employees and perhaps is closer to 125 at present. It is privately owned and therefore doesn't have a known market cap but may have gross sales of $25 to $50 million a year (depending upon the validity of online estimates). Perhaps Dynon is a better comparator with around 50 employees and who knows what in annual sales. The point is that Avidyne's resources are limited and product development and update decisions have very real stability and longevity consequences. Frankly, the fact that we even have available these phenomenal products at competitive prices (especially the IFD series) is, in my opinion, nothing short of a technological, engineering, business and regulatory miracle. Now, I knew all of this when I bought my first IFD540 in my previous plane. I also knew that Garmin is much better supported in this part of the country. But I still went with the IFD series, including in my current plane, because for me it wins hands-down in terms of usability and features (with a few unimportant to me exceptions) over anything Garmin produces. I was and still am willing to bet my avionics dollars that Avidyne will continue to support and competitively update its IFD boxes in ways that are consistent with the best interests of the company and its customers. Edited by AZ Flyer - 23 Feb 2020 at 1:06pm |
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Good Post! - on the company size issue, it's worth noting that with companies like Apple that they may be large and have huge resources but their product cost is 10 to 20 times less than an Avidyne customer. More outlay on our end should equal better expected service. If there's an Apple problem on an update, there are generally free solutions. Having been an early Dynon Skyview adopter (RV6-installed myself) I did MANY updates as the product capability grew. Bricking the unit was almost unheard of. I did the last Avidyne update by myself and got a neighbor AP to fill out the permission slip (same guy that uses me for his updates and tech stuff). I had 2 forms of backup juice to the panel and had no problems. SUGGESTION: Keep records of those (individuals and shops) who had issues with an update and discuss alternative means with them on the next update. No reason to have the whole class stay after school.
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Bob H
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Avidyne gets swamped for technical support help when a new upgrade comes out. Look at Steve's note about folks following the instructions: "...if only that were so..." You have highlighted your credentials for doing upgrades. You are in the minority. Why should Avidyne cater to you? You have found a simple work around as have many others. So no big deal. Avidyne also has to consider FAA criteria. I agree that Avidyne should provide A&Ps with the ability to do updates. They have done that in the past and it appears they are implementing that here as well.
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It's NOT that complex---how many bricked units do you think they got last time? Probably just a few and what's the big deal to make a note in computer based on serial number so that they can discuss with them ahead of time--be proactive instead of reactive (less total work). Avidyne obviously listens to the customer base as they generally get more flexible on the updates. |
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AviSteve
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OK ladies and gentlemen, the 10.2.4.1 software is now available for you to download. Again, installation of this software will require a logbook entry with authorized signatures from A&P or IA. You'll need to fill out the online form in order to get access. Here's the link:
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PA23
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Yippee!
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HenryM
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Thanks!!!
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THANK YOU !!!!! !!!!!! ( : > )
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This just proves again how much Avidyne rocks.
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Avidyne you are the greatest!
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how many hrs should a shop charge for the update? Going to a local dealer.
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PA23
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From the minute I turned on the GPS with the USB stick in the slot to the time it was finished took 25 minutes. That doesn't include any paper work, or possibly pulling the unit out to do the update on a bench etc (what I did). Personally I would think 1hr shop time wouldn't be unreasonable, nobody says the paperwork can't be done while the upgrade is being performing
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Flybuddy
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Doesn't appear to be a zip file as outlined in video so you can download directly to a USB thumb drive, files should be: RUNONCE 1KB 500-00207-000 CONFORMITY CHECKER.dsf 1KB 500-00206-000 FULL UPDATE.dsf 44,642KB 500-00205-000Gold Master(2).dsf 86,196KB |
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Doesn't look right, shouldn't have the (2) in the name and you have a space in the name My files are: $ unzip -l 10.2.4.1_update.zipArchive: 10.2.4.1_update.zip Length Date Time Name --------- ---------- ----- ---- 88264130 02-05-2020 11:45 500-00205-000 GoldMaster.dsf 45712812 02-05-2020 11:50 500-00206-000 FULL UPDATE.dsf 584 02-05-2020 11:50 500-00207-000 CONFORMITY CHECKER.dsf 790095 01-16-2020 15:06 601-00182-034 SERVICE BULLETIN, IFD5XX-4XX SERIES UPGRADE TO 10.2.X.1.pdf 15 02-05-2020 11:50 RUNONCE--------- ------- 134767636 5 files Your file sizes look right (I'm viewing on a Linux machine which may calculate the sizes differently), you just have a screwed up filename.
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AZ Flyer
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What could possibly go wrong. 😜
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Stan
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Gring
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Or recording all of the settings. That can take awhile. I did my update in 1hr complete with recording settings.
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I got charged 1-1/4 hours, complete. Update was done on a bench. * Orest
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Did the update today and it only took 22 minutes. However, I had one minor issue that I elected to call tech support to be thorough. Got 10 minute holds and then dropped to a desk answering machine to leave message--did this 3 times and also did an email..It's now hours later and never got a call back or answer. The update isn't hard to do but don't think you'll have tech support as a crutch, you may be on your own. One tip--look closely at IFD pic screen at bottom of page 12 in instructions, that's the pic you will get when it's done and, just like the pic, it will only show 62% complete on the progress bar. It's actually done and you can hit proceed and do the software checks.
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Hey folks, appreciate Avidyne offering this as a download. Thank You.
In addition to being an ATP, I’m also an A&P. Could I do this and sign off my logbook? If so, Avidyne requires A&P shop and phone number. How would I list myself, if possible to do my own signoff. Thanks, David
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AviSteve
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Just put your name and phone number in that box.
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I updated my software yesterday, about 20 min total. I do not know how you could possibly screw this up, as once the update is started, you do not touch anything until the install is complete. Mine did not lose or change any of the configurations As easy as updating a database.
I do have a Power Cart and plug that in before I start any upgrades, including the Data |
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I also just did my 10.2.4.1 update (from 10.2.3.1) which took about 25 minutes for the software transfer. Took another 10 minutes for the pre and post checks. All my settings remained unchanged.
It was ueventful, however I was meticulous in my preparation, reading the service bulletin a number of times. I already had copies of my configuration and set up screens. I used external power. I have done almost all of these software updates and they are a highly automated process but just require a little preparation. I enjoy doing them. Thomas
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Steve, in the list of fixes for 10.2.4.1 you mention the following:
"- Fixed issue when using same com port for input at one baud rate and output at a different rate." Related to this is a question about RS232 input and output both at 115200 (on the same and/or different ports). What are the limitations here? My understanding is that RS232 Capstone/GDL90 input is fixed at 115200, but max output is 9600. Is that correct? If so, any plans to change?
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AviSteve
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We didn’t exactly understand the question, but maybe this explanation will fit the bill… As of 10.2.4.1, the TX and RX for all of the RS232 ports can be configured independently. Prior to the fix, if the IFD was configured for Capstone Wx or Capstone Trfc+Wx (or the corresponding high speed versions) on the RX side of the port, then the IFD would inappropriately set the TX speed as well. In the event that you had something else configured on the TX side, the baud rate would likely not have been the correct speed. Note that the bug did not affect the Capstone Trfc Only configuration. The Capstone protocol has a fixed baud rate of 38,400. The Capstone HS protocol has a fixed baud rate of 115,200. |
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chflyer
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It answers the question, but doesn't quite address the issue.
The need is to be able to specify the RS232 output speed for the Aviation selection to 115200 baud, rather than the current fixed 9600 baud, or have 2 selections like is done for Capstone and Capstone HS.
The issue that I have is connecting a Golze ADL200 which can supply WX and ADS-B information to the IFD via GDL90 protocol using the Avidyne RS232 Capstone HS Trfc+Wx @ 115200 baud. It can also receive FPL route info from the IFD via the RS232 Aviation selection. But it cannot transmit at 115200 and receive at 9600. Both need to be at 115200. |
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Thanks to my colleagues in Boston... We don't plan on supporting a 115.2 Aviation 232 stream. However, it looks like the answer to your problem is already documented in the Golze ADL200 installation manual. See section 15...
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chflyer
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Yes Steve, that is a workaround but it requires purchase and installation of an additional device (the ADLRS232 combiner) with associated cables/connectors. That box is the same size as the ADL itself.
A shame considering that if an IFD RS232 port can support 115200 input it should be able to support 115200 output.
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Many thanks for releasing the 10.2.4.1 release.
For 10.2.3.1 there was a 2nd version made available of the software package which also contained the current (at the time) installation manual (rev17). Unfortunately the 10.2.4.1 didn't include it (rev18 I believe). The installation manual is very useful when planning panel changes and for the latest version should always be used, so it would be nice if it were included by default with software release packages.
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Hi. First time caller. Question on upgrade to the latest version. I am on 10.2.1.0 and am wondering if there are compelling reasons to upgrade (for me). The date issue is mildly irritating but no more than that. Where can I find a list of software releases and related notes? I did hunt around various Avidyne sites but did not discover this information.
Thanks, Dennis
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There is no web page with release notes for each version. If for no other reason, you really should update to fix the GPS date. But since you find that only mildly irritating, I think it's reasonable to wait for 10.3.
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Steve,
Thanks for the response. I did the upgrade (it rained, free time). I expected that the unit would update the date without my input. I test flew for about 30 minutes but it did not update. What steps should I take to address? Photo below. Thanks, Dennis |
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Did your IFD540 date ever correct itself on a subsequent power up of the unit? If not and you haven’t done so already, it couldn’t hurt to try power cycling the IFD while in an area of good GPS signal. My understanding is that power cycling should sync the IFD UTC time with the GPS time signal. Since the numerical GPS date is part of the GPS time signal, my thought is that there is a chance this might work to also correct the IFD date to the current GPS date cycle.
Otherwise, I would think Avidyne Tech Support will have a solution for you. |
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AviSteve
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When the IFD first powers up, it synchronizes with the GPS time from the previous power cycle. From that point on, to keep time consistent, it continues on its internal clock. So, dmtidler is correct, it should correct itself on the second power cycle.
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and it did! All is good on the 2nd start.
Thanks, Dennis
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I have an IFD540 and IFD440. The IFD540 works perfect. The IFD440 loses time, and only seems to get caught up if the flight is long enough for the IFD to download the GPS almanac from satellites.
Here's an example: my airfield has been closed for several weeks due to snow so I haven't been flying. When I did my last database update at the end of January, the IFD440 date/time was 2 weeks out of date and never corrected during the database update process. Anyone else have the same issue? Sounds to me like a problem with the battery that retains the date/time while powered down. I believe that requires a return to the factory to resolve, which costs me a good $500 round-trip. grrrh. |
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