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Well, yes, obviously.  The GFC500 requires the installation of the G5 and won't even work with a G500 PFD
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Originally posted by compasst compasst wrote:


From the research I've done and from talking with both Avidyne and Garmin knowledgeable folks, here's what I understand.

The GMU 11 provides remote magnetic information to the G5s and to the IFD. All three show mag heading.

The GAD 29 provides the ARINC 429 conduit for navigation information (such as course deviation) between the IFD, the G5s, and to Garmin autopilots, and RS232 provides the one-way communications from the IFD to the G5s for things like GPS signal and track, eliminating the need to use the G5 internal GPS or adding external antennae for the G5s. By the way, if you don't use the IFD for GPS signal to the G5s, Garmin suggests first trying the G5 on its internal GPS and antenna before adding external antenna.

The GAD 29B does the same thing as the GAD 29 above, adding support for many 3rd party autopilots. 

Everything displays on a dual G5 setup that still retains a vacuum AI, such as needed for a Century III autopilot. As noted in another message above, Garmin is combining 429 ports to fix a problem with their GNS 530w talking to the G5. I witnessed this problem in an aircraft I was test flying following a dual G5 install - the G5 did NOT display the glideSLOPE on ILS but did display the glidePATH on LPV approachs. The IFD 540 in two other installs that I have flown did correctly communicate with the dual G5 installs in those planes. Those installs used the 429 configurations (two channels) shown in the G5 STC installation docs version 11 dated Dec 2017. In order for vertical guidance from the IFD to show on the G5, the setting for VNAV must be on ENABLE LABELS. This particular setting is VNAV ENABLED in the GNS 530 and G5 installation manuals. 

I do not yet know if a GAD 29 (pre-Dec 2017 production) can be updated to a GAD 29B. Garmin aviation tech support is closed today - Feb 2 - for training. I'll post an update once I find out.




Thanks so much.  After having read many many discussions on the topic this more concisely answers my questions than anything I've ran across.  Exactly what I was looking for.
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Originally posted by oskrypuch oskrypuch wrote:

Originally posted by Catani Catani wrote:

Just to confirm, you are saying that the IFD 440/540 does not work (yet) with the G500, the GDL-69A, nor the GDL-88?  And to further confirm, you are also saying that (unlike the IFDs) a 430/530 will work just fine with those Garmin products?
No, not confirming anything about either, just recalling from threads here, I don't have any of those products so no first hand information. For definitive information call tech support.

OK, my question remains unanswered then.  Unless I hear otherwise, I tentatively conclude the 430/530 can be swapped out with an IFD 440/540, and everything that worked with the 430/530 will work with the IFD 440/540, apart from the items mentioned by Gring.

Just to be clear, I don't believe Avidyne has advertised that the IFD 440/540 is compatible with any other upgrade you might install in your panel at the same time you swap out the 430/530.  The plug 'n play claim says only that the IFD is compatible with equipment the 430/530 is compatible with - which might now need a temporary asterisk given Gring's info until the IFDs can catch up to the modifications recently made to the 430/530 software.  I suppose there will always be a lag between Garmin's 430/530 software upgrades, and the corresponding ones for the IFDs.


Edited by Catani - 02 Feb 2018 at 6:32pm
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Originally posted by compasst compasst wrote:

Everything displays on a dual G5 setup that still retains a vacuum AI, such as needed for a Century III autopilot. As noted in another message above, Garmin is combining 429 ports to fix a problem with their GNS 530w talking to the G5. I witnessed this problem in an aircraft I was test flying following a dual G5 install - the G5 did NOT display the glideSLOPE on ILS but did display the glidePATH on LPV approachs. The IFD 540 in two other installs that I have flown did correctly communicate with the dual G5 installs in those planes. Those installs used the 429 configurations (two channels) shown in the G5 STC installation docs version 11 dated Dec 2017. In order for vertical guidance from the IFD to show on the G5, the setting for VNAV must be on ENABLE LABELS. This particular setting is VNAV ENABLED in the GNS 530 and G5 installation manuals.

Do you know if Garmin is addressing the need for dual ARINC429 ports on the G5 side, or the GNS530/430 side?  If the latter, then I would think Avidyne will need to make the corresponding change.
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Hmm, based on the info I’m reading, doesn’t look like an interface for my IFD 440 and a G5 will be here any time
soon, if ever. I would really like to get rid of my analog stuff, but I like the GPSS, especially in a heavy workload IFR environment. I love my 440, but based on the track record of releases for software upgrades, don’t see
a resolution anytime soon. Might have to go to Plan B, look at the Aspen setup. Concerned though, as I have heard
Aspen is struggling in the market somewhat Optimally for me would be dual G5 with GPSS, and ESI500 for backup

Hoping Avidyne can get things squared away soon.
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Originally posted by Catani Catani wrote:

Originally posted by oskrypuch oskrypuch wrote:

Originally posted by Catani Catani wrote:

Just to confirm, you are saying that the IFD 440/540 does not work (yet) with the G500, the GDL-69A, nor the GDL-88?  And to further confirm, you are also saying that (unlike the IFDs) a 430/530 will work just fine with those Garmin products?
No, not confirming anything about either, just recalling from threads here, I don't have any of those products so no first hand information. For definitive information call tech support.

OK, my question remains unanswered then.  Unless I hear otherwise, I tentatively conclude the 430/530 can be swapped out with an IFD 440/540, and everything that worked with the 430/530 will work with the IFD 440/540, apart from the items mentioned by Gring.

Just to be clear, I don't believe Avidyne has advertised that the IFD 440/540 is compatible with any other upgrade you might install in your panel at the same time you swap out the 430/530.  The plug 'n play claim says only that the IFD is compatible with equipment the 430/530 is compatible with - which might now need a temporary asterisk given Gring's info until the IFDs can catch up to the modifications recently made to the 430/530 software.  I suppose there will always be a lag between Garmin's 430/530 software upgrades, and the corresponding ones for the IFDs.

Not related to the G5, but you might want to check the BeechTalk forum thread regarding a fellow who had issues pulling a G* 530W and plugging an IFD540 in conjunction with an Aspen 1000 Pro & G* GTX345. A bit specific to the 345, but nonetheless shows how important it is to not make assumptions.


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Originally posted by dwbarnett dwbarnett wrote:

Hmm, based on the info I’m reading, doesn’t look like an interface for my IFD 440 and a G5 will be here any time ... 

Hmm, based on Gring's and compasst posts, it appears that these are indeed working together now.

But personally I think an ASPEN 1000 Pro is a better option than twin G5's anyway, and it is not much more.

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Originally posted by Gring Gring wrote:

Do you know if Garmin is addressing the need for dual ARINC429 ports on the G5 side, or the GNS530/430 side?  If the latter, then I would think Avidyne will need to make the corresponding change.

Last I heard from Garmin, the ARINC429 port consolidation was being done with software update for the GNS 430/530 and was to be completed mid-December. I've not been able to get confirmation of that. It was being done because some folks use one of these ports for other inputs from other devices.

It was not clear if the G5 would also be changed. As of yesterday, G5 version 5.0 is still current from mid-December and my G5s still work fine with my IFD 540.
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Likewise.  My G5 works perfectly with my 550.
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Originally posted by compasst compasst wrote:

I do not yet know if a GAD 29 (pre-Dec 2017 production) can be updated to a GAD 29B. Garmin aviation tech support is closed today - Feb 2 - for training. I'll post an update once I find out.

I have answers from Garmin - the GAD 29 is different internally from the GAD 29B. Therefore, a GAD 29 cannot be upgraded to a GAD 29B by software.
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Originally posted by compasst compasst wrote:

Originally posted by Gring Gring wrote:

Do you know if Garmin is addressing the need for dual ARINC429 ports on the G5 side, or the GNS530/430 side?  If the latter, then I would think Avidyne will need to make the corresponding change.

Last I heard from Garmin, the ARINC429 port consolidation was being done with software update for the GNS 430/530 and was to be completed mid-December. I've not been able to get confirmation of that. It was being done because some folks use one of these ports for other inputs from other devices.

It was not clear if the G5 would also be changed. As of yesterday, G5 version 5.0 is still current from mid-December and my G5s still work fine with my IFD 540.

Per email from Garmin tech yesterday - the new software for GNS 5xx is version 5.4. This new software will not be required for G5 units to work properly. And, the G5 software will not be changed to require this GNS 5xx software change, so the G5 will still work with all its features when connected to IFD units. FYI, G5 software was just updated to v5.1.

It appears it was fix in version 5.4 in the GNS 5XX software. You will need to go to a Garmin Dealer for the sw upgrade.

 

GNS 400W/500W Series Main Software v5.40 includes the following:

• Added support for GFC 500

• Added ARINC 429 input for G5

• Fixed issue where FIS-B METARs and TAFs may not be displayed if too many are received

• Fixed issue related to importing/export flight plans with IAF waypoints and procedure transition waypoints


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 The fix is in the GNS 5.4 software. The G5 will not require a software upgrade but I still suggest upgrading it to sw 5.1.


The STC'd G5 software posted on Garmin site is still on 5.0. The fellow who wrote to me above is in the experimental wing, so their software might well be at v5.1


 I also learned that having the Flight Director bars shown on G5 without benefit of an installed autopilot is NOT possible because the G5 gets that signal from a component of the compatible autopilot or from a separate box that could be installed. I'm still going to hope that the G500 autopilot gets an STC for Cessna Cardinal airplanes.

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Let me guess..still no update...  (sigh)
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The IFD does work with the G5.  Truth be told, we already accept all of the 429 labels via the GAD42 configuration (the ability the GNS update gives).  The time consuming part of this is getting it added to our installation manual, which requires amending the STC.  As others have mentioned there are quite a few of these flying around already.  Showing the IFD vs GNS as "like equipment" shouldn't be difficult for 337 purposes.  

We can't make any promises about the G brand autopilot integration with G5's yet.
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Order a deklin aiu 900 for the go between the g5 and autopilot. Does a great job with gad29 b
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I'm just about to connect a dual G5 (plus GMU-11 and GAD-29B) setup to an IFD540, but would someone mind checking the connections/settings for me? Other hardware in the system is a Bendix-King KT74 transponder, STEC 50 autopilot, and Garmin GI-106A nav indicator. What I've gathered from reading the installation manuals is:

IFD540 settings for the G5s:
RS-232 channel 1 output: MapMX format, connects to both G5s to provide GPS data (I’ll also have a backup GA35 antenna just for the G5s)
RS-232 channel 1 input: disabled
GPS ARINC 429 output: low speed, GAMA 429 format (connects to GAD-29B)
VOR/ILS ARINC 429 output: low speed (connects to GAD-29B)
GPS ARINC 429 input 1: low speed, GAD 42 format (connects to GAD-29B)
SDI: LNAV 1
VNAV: Enable Labels

IFD540 settings for the KT-74:
RS-232 channel 2 output: ADS-B (Avi) format (connects to KT-74 directly)

IFD540 settings for the GI-106A:
Direct connection from dedicated IFD540 ports, no need to configure any I/O

Is that right?

Two futher questions:

(1) Do I need to connect the IFD540 VOR/ILS ARINC429 input to the GAD-29B too? The IFD540 manual shows connections for the Aspen systems, and their airdata output only goes to the GPS ARINC 429 input section. However, the G5 install manual shows the ARINC 429 connection going to both GPS and VOR/ILS sections on a GNS-530W.

(2) Is there any way to have the G5 output its altitude data to the KT-74? I’ve got an altitude encoder, but if I can dump that and rely on the G5’s internal encoder then that saves weight and wiring, as well as ensuring that the G5 and the KT-74 agree.


Thanks for any help!
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Originally posted by khuffine khuffine wrote:

Order a deklin aiu 900 for the go between the g5 and autopilot. Does a great job with gad29 b

how do you get one of those approved for certified aircraft?
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For those of you with the G5 HSI, can you use the IFD540's VOR signal for a bearing pointer? Or, do you have to connect to a 2nd radio to get that?
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Bearing pointer works only with the number one navigator. Select. Vor and it is the blue pointer on hsi.
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