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    Posted: 05 Mar 2015 at 5:36pm
I am often left straining to see the precise location of the next waypoint on the screen, especially on approach when the screen starts to become busier. Sure there are datablocks, but I like to be able to visually gauge my position.

As such, I'd like to request two simple things that would go a long way to this, or if you have any other bright ideas!

1)  increase the NEXT waypoint indicator size by say 50%, and give it a slightly stronger border

2)  reverse the order of the "barber pole" magenta/white striping, so that the first stripe past the NEXT waypoint is WHITE, instead of MAGENTA, that helps give further contrast.

I have done a little editing in the image below to show what I mean. And although I don't depict it, changing the barber pole to something like 75% white/25% magenta would make it even stronger and less visually confusing.

And for that matter, you might wish to slightly increase the size of the other waypoint marks too.


* Orest



Edited by oskrypuch - 05 Mar 2015 at 5:41pm
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote twalterhome3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Mar 2015 at 6:59pm
yes that's a great idea
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Added.  Thanks.
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Thank you.

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Did this one make 10.2, per chance?

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The 540 series IFD has all the data to compute the TIME to the MAP (Missed approach chart).  Instead of trying to interpolate between the 90 and 120kts times printed on the approach chart, setup in a count-down timer etc, it would be nice to be able to show in one of the data blocks the actual time (based on actual ground speed) and the time left.  It could actually self toggle on when reaching the FAF if a VOR/ILS approach is loaded.


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Originally posted by cavu cavu wrote:

The 540 series IFD has all the data to compute the TIME to the MAP (Missed approach chart).  Instead of trying to interpolate between the 90 and 120kts times printed on the approach chart, setup in a count-down timer etc, it would be nice to be able to show in one of the data blocks the actual time (based on actual ground speed) and the time left.  It could actually self toggle on when reaching the FAF if a VOR/ILS approach is loaded.


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REM   1:49


I like that too!

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Originally posted by cavu cavu wrote:

The 540 series IFD has all the data to compute the TIME to the MAP (Missed approach chart).  Instead of trying to interpolate between the 90 and 120kts times printed on the approach chart, setup in a count-down timer etc, it would be nice to be able to show in one of the data blocks the actual time (based on actual ground speed) and the time left.  It could actually self toggle on when reaching the FAF if a VOR/ILS approach is loaded.


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REM   1:49

I'm a little puzzled by this request.  In the old days, we often had to time non-precision approaches in order to know when to go missed.  But now, with GPS to tell us exactly where we are, the need for the GPS to tell us the time elapsed is a much less precise way for the GPS to tell us we are getting close to, or upon, or past, the missed approach point.  In fact, no matter what the timing says based upon estimates of groundspeed over time, when the GPS says you're at the missed approach point you go missed.  And if you're wondering how close you are to that point, look at the distance the GPS tells you is left to go.

Now many pilots will continue to monitor the time after the FAF just like the old days out of habit, if for no other reason than to guard against the possibility the GPS might fail half way down final.  If you knew your time and were using a VOR or LOC or ADF for your final approach guidance, you could continue the approach even after such failure.  If you weren't monitoring your time and were relying upon the now-failed GPS to identify the missed approach point, you'd have to go missed.  But in that scenario, having the GPS keep track of your time would do you no good, as now it's busted.  Better to do it on your watch or clock, which presumably would allow you to complete the approach after GPS failure.  Again, however, if the GPS remains in good working order, who needs to know the time?  In other words, keeping track of time is for your watch; keeping track of the distance to go is for your GPS.  At least, this is how I see it, for what it's worth.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote oskrypuch Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Jun 2016 at 8:53pm
Having the time displayed makes it a calculation you don't need to do. Time to MAP is more intuitive than distance.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote teeth6 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jun 2016 at 7:30pm
A small change to the "Freq" button is something I'd like to see in a future request.  Maybe this has been mentioned already but just in case.......  Steve said that he changes frequencies on a trip by hitting the Freq button, going to "Enroute" and then selecting the appropriate frequency.  I tried this on a recent trip and noticed that each time you hit the "Freq" button, it takes you only to the first screen (I believe it is Airports).  You then have to hit Freq again or touch "Enroute" to toggle over.  It would make sense to bring you back to the Enroute screen or whichever screen you were on when you left it to go back to Maps.   I imagine Steve spends most of his time on the Enroute Freq tab due to the multiple freq changes on a trip and if an extra button push could be eliminated by going directly back to the page you left, that would be great


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Yes please.
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Originally posted by cavu cavu wrote:

The 540 series IFD has all the data to compute the TIME to the MAP (Missed approach chart).  Instead of trying to interpolate between the 90 and 120kts times printed on the approach chart, setup in a count-down timer etc, it would be nice to be able to show in one of the data blocks the actual time (based on actual ground speed) and the time left.  It could actually self toggle on when reaching the FAF if a VOR/ILS approach is loaded.


MAP   2:40

REM   1:49


If the Waypoint data block had the ETE in minutes and seconds, this would give you the time to the MAP (assuming you aren't past it and the next waypoint is the missed holding fix). Perhaps the destination ETE in MM:SS would work.  Right now all ETEs are HH:MM.
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I agree that the datablocks would be useful for MM:SS when under 10 min and I'll add that to the future feature candidate database now.

One noteworthy item is that the FMS tab legs show HH:MM until the time-to-go is under 10 min, at which time it changes to MM:SS.   So, you could use that FMS tab to get the to-the-second countdown if you wanted.

So, the database entry is to show HH:MM until under 10 minutes at which time it would go to MM:SS for the datablocks.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote oskrypuch Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jul 2016 at 1:22pm
Well, Jake is BACK.

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Quote I am often left straining to see the precise location of the next waypoint on the screen, especially on approach when the screen starts to become busier. Sure there are datablocks, but I like to be able to visually gauge my position.

As such, I'd like to request two simple things that would go a long way to this, or if you have any other bright ideas!

1)  increase the NEXT waypoint indicator size by say 50%, and give it a slightly stronger border

2)  reverse the order of the "barber pole" magenta/white striping, so that the first stripe past the NEXT waypoint is WHITE, instead of MAGENTA, that helps give further contrast.

What about the first post in this thread, is the above quoted feature in the candiate database?

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Edited by oskrypuch - 10 Jul 2016 at 1:23pm
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AviJake Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jul 2016 at 1:27pm
Yes, I'm back as of last night but I've got to say that after spending 2.5 weeks playing around in Croatia, I haven't stopped longing to be back there instead of at work.

As for the real point of the post, I just entered those two points in the future feature database (I didn't see them in there so the prod was warranted).  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote oskrypuch Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jul 2016 at 1:43pm
Understood, on both counts!

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote khuffine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jul 2016 at 7:03pm
I think by putting all three waypoints in order is the way to have the unit set up for giving position reports, especially if flying international.  You could just read," estimate waypoint at, then next...then last compulsory..usually apps have several lead in apps points on the FMC. I have mine set up like that...
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