ADS-B STC for the AXP340 Status Update |
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SB Jim
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Hi Jake,
Can we get an update on when Avidyne expects the STC for IFD 540 / AXP 340 approval for ADS-B Out? My 540 ships today and we're adding a 340 to the order. I'd like to be able to have the avionics shop turn ADS-B Out "on". I've read that some shops are reluctant to do so absent the STC. Regards, Jim |
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AviJake
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(AXP340 ADS-B STC Status Update - 12 Feb 2015)
The FAA has just issued TIA which clears the path for the next step on the ADS-B cert. For those folks who want the summary story - we could have STC approval within a week. For those folks who love the details, we have the following steps to knock out: 1. Use the signed TIA to allow a FAA designated inspector (DAR) to perform a conformity inspection of the gear and airplane - presuming he is available, this takes a few hours. We're checking on his availability right now. Could happen today, could take a few days. 2. Once the DAR has signed off on that inspection, we perform the for-credit ground tests (a few hours in duration) then perform 3 flight tests (should take 1.5 days presuming weather, airplane and equipment all perform as expected). We've dry run all those flights so we're highly confident. 3. Send the FAA a quick thumbs up note when flight test is done. 4. FAA processes a few other paperwork items then issues the written STC. |
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Steve Jacobson
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AviJake
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(AXP340 ADS-B STC Status Update - 10 Feb 2015)
The snowstorms up in New England are taking a heavy toll. The FAA office is closed again today and one rep who did answer his mobile phone told us now to expect the TIA signoff on Thursday. So we're looking at a minimum 4 day slip now from the 5 Feb estimate.
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Steve Jacobson
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AviJake
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(AXP340 ADS-B STC Status Update - 9 Feb 2015)
Due to the significant snowstorm pounding New England, the FAA did not open their MA Cert office today. So, the expected TIA I talked about on the 5 Feb post has not (and likely will not) be issued today. We hope this is just a one day slip due to wx. |
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Steve Jacobson
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roltman
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Yeah, I was concerned, it'd say something beyond the install manual:
Must be installed with ACME brand coax with silver overbraid on shielded cables that has wires with only counterclockwise spinning electrons or something crazy like that. Thanks |
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AviJake
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For those installations that already have a 340 then it's just paperwork. For all those folks who are flying now with a 540-340 combo and ran that FAA test to see if they were ADS-B compliant and got a yes, this STC will provide the paperwork to supports ADS-B compliance.
Does that answer your question? |
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Steve Jacobson
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roltman
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Steve,
Just curious if the STC is just merely paperwork for a 340 owner, or will there be additional (i.e. hardware/wiring) requirements in the STC? I'm finishing up my 340 install along with my 2nd 540, and would like to address any additional STC requirements before my plane is closed up on Tuesday next week which will be prior to the STC being issued. |
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AviJake
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(AXP340 ADS-B STC Status Update - 5 Feb 2015)
It's really close. The FAA informed us this morning they intend to issue the TIA on Monday. That gives us approval to get the unit and aircraft through FAA conformity (an inspection that takes a few hours and should be completed on Tues, 10 Feb), which then clears us to perform the official for-credit flight test on Wed, Thurs, Fri weather permitting. Presuming the flight test goes as well as all the dry run flights did, it should then be a matter of a few days for the FAA to issue the STC. |
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Steve Jacobson
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MysticCobra
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To anyone still confused about the STC thing, understand that the AXP340 is completely certified and good to go as a plain-ol' transponder, like you've been using for the last 20 years. You can put one in your plane today and be legal for flying in airspace requiring a Mode C transponder.
The only bit that's not STC'd yet is the ADSB-out capability. The function is there, and it meets all FAA performance specs, but the paperwork cycle is not quite complete--should be only a few more weeks, though.
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oskrypuch
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No, there is no need to delay for the ADS-B OUT STC. That has no effect on function, and no effect on certification until 2020.
I understand the short supply/delays are due to greater than expected sales, which is a good thing for Avidyne I guess, but not so good a thing for the folks waiting.
* Orest Edited by oskrypuch - 13 Jan 2015 at 3:34pm |
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Leonard
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I'm like Old Bob I stay confused.
So, would it be better to delay my 340 order until the STC has been confirmed? And what is the problem with orders? Is it A:) lack of units (production), B:) a short circuit between sales and delivery/shipping, OR C:).......INSERT HERE......
Edited by Leonard - 13 Jan 2015 at 1:50pm |
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hamilton
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Hi Steve,
When I say locking up, the transponder will only transmit and display the altitude at turn on. If we pump aircraft up and down, the altitude does not change. Cycle power to transponder and it transmits the new altitude but still does not follow altitude variations. Pull CB for IFD and the transponder works perfectly. Change ADS-B setting from trig ADSB to garmin ADSB and the transponder works perfectly. We have serial altitude from transcal encoder to AXP, serial altitude from AXP to IFD per install manual and serial GPS from IFD to AXP. So we can either have mode C or ADS-B without altitude, not both. All altitude is set to "icarus" equivalent. Jared and TJ are looking into this.
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AviJake
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Reference "hamilton"'s post above, the FAA has not given us the STC number for the AXP340 ADS-B STC yet.
What did you mean by locking up the altitude reporting? What is the exact symptom(s) you are seeing? BTW, the new installation manual that will come out with that STC has a much better description of the AXP340 settings and what each selection does. At this point, I strongly suspect it's just a setting issue on your 340 but I'll wait to hear back about your symptoms.
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Steve Jacobson
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MysticCobra
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The "joined" date is when you created an account here on this message forum. The message forum has no way to know when you purchased or installed your Avidyne equipment.
IFD540 P1001 pin 8 to AXP340 Primary pin 5 will handle the on-ground/in-flight transition for the transponder.
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Old Bob
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Well, now I am even more confused! You have me listed as having "joined" in July of this year. I ordered and paid for my IFD 540 in August of 2011. Received my unit and had it installed in late October of this year! Hmmmm! Old Bob |
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Old Bob
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As usual, I am confused. Will the "new" STC for ADS-B Out include a speed unit to provide the airborne signal or will we still have to install some sort of "Weight On The Wheels" switch to tell the world when the aircraft is airborne? Happy Skies, Old Bob |
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oskrypuch
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As far as I understand, the STC is not required until 2020, and then it will only be required for compliance when in airspace that requires ADS-B OUT.
That aside, I have a 340/540 pair running nicely in my airplane. I've done the check at the faa.gov email, all checked out fine. So there should be no technical limitation to their correct operation currently, as long as the units are working correctly, and are properly configured.
* Orest Edited by oskrypuch - 28 Dec 2014 at 10:19pm |
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hamilton
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Hi Steve,
We have an aircraft due out 8th January with IFD540/AXP340. We were hoping that the STC/AML would be out by now for the transponder. We need a document number for the transponder install - can you advise the STC number or is that cheating. It will cost us around $1500 to get field approval for the matter of a week or two. FYI we have issues with the ADS-B out of the IFD540 - it locks up the transponder altitude reporting, so we are leaving that disabled at present. Many thanks for your great contributions here to keep us informed.
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Victor
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Thank you for the update Steve.
A Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all at Avidyne and all the contributors to this fantastic forum from here in downunder. Victor Mooney M20J Sydney, Australia |
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AviJake
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As many readers know, we're in the end game in the pursuit of a new STC that enables one to take ASD-B compliant credit for the AXP340 Mode S Transponder.
This permits the AXP340 to take GPS input from the IFD540, R9, G400W, G430W, G500W, G530W units and meet the requirements for ADS-B Out performance. All data has been turned into the FAA and they have largely delegated signoff authority back to us. There were a number of actions to be taken and they seem to have been largely completed now to everybody's satisfaction. We *should* have signed off STC authority sometime in January. |
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Steve Jacobson
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