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jhbehrens
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I'm pretty sure all data comes from Jeppesen as it can also only be updated through JSUM. Avidyne convert it into a format that their device can read so the error could be in the conversion process but much more likely to be in the source data. So: Jeppesen
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DavidBunin
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The question is, who is "them" in this case? Does the data for the frequency name come from Jeppesen or Avidyne? David Bunin |
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You could try sending them a copy of the New York TAC chart with the line in the frequency panel that shows 127.85 as being affiliated with Newark highlighted. You can download a pdf of the chart from the FAA's website, http://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/flight_info/aeronav/digital_products/vfr/ David |
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I have a minor issue that is really no big deal but a bit annoying. I love the fact that the frequency is identified with a control tower, or center, etc. However if the database is in error, who fixes it? Jepp or Avidyne? 127.85 is one of Newark's tower frequencies, I call them all the time. It's listed on my IFD540 as LaGuardia Tower. That's not accurate. I called/emailed Jepp and they say it is correct, to whom do I appeal?
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oskrypuch
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Jepp's app is tablet only, at least in terms of download from the Play Store.
You might be able to install the APK manually onto a phone, as long as it is a high resolution unit, should work OK. But, there may be a stumbling block with the licensing steps.
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Is the android app to which you refer (flightdeck) only for tablets? I do not see this on my phone. I'd like to view the jepp charts on my phone, too.
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oskrypuch
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No, no LO's on the 540.
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n7ifr
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Orest,
Is there any way to view low enroute charts on the 540, or is it just approach plates and Apt diagrams? I am still on the fence with Jepp (on 540) vs NACO (on Aspen MFD). Tom Wolf Phoenix |
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Don
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Thanks to the onset of you tube .... Wait till they have self driving cars !!!! it'll be UGH X 100 !!!! I am with you on Jepp They do have ALOT of info on the plates.. but i usually view the plates on forelfight iPad The thing I like on JEPP is the VSR per speed of craft ... thats pretty cool |
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oskrypuch
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I am familiar with NACO, CAP (Canada), Euro and Jepp plates.
Flying in the US you have a choice of two. Flying outside and inside the US, the only way to maintain the same format in plates, is with Jepps, and why I went in that direction. Any format will take a bit to get used to (especially after using one for 20 yrs), and of course in the end everyone will have a personal preference. Using many styles interchangeably, I have to say that I have observed that most other plates are becoming more and more like Jepps in general organization and features. The Jepp Briefing Strip is a prime example. Of course the precise details will always be a little different between designs, perhaps leaving you to scratch your head a bit at first. There are some older Jepp clinics (PDFs) that fully explain not only the features, but also the whys of the design. More recently they have produced videos, doing much the same. It seems everything has to be a video these days. (ugh) * Orest Edited by oskrypuch - 26 Mar 2015 at 6:52pm |
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I'm seriously giving Jepp charts the "college try" and Orest I have to disagree. Granted I'm only flying in the US and have been using NACO charts for 20+yrs. I wasn't impressed with the charts, taxiway diagrams and SID/STAR presentation on my last trip to a new unfamiliar airport. The data was all there but I felt like I was doing a "Where's Waldo" to find it. It definitely wasn't clearer. I just kept asking why the <explitive> did they put that information there? Because I do want to dump the iPad and carry only my phone as a backup I'm honestly giving the Jepp charts an honest try, but if a NACO option was available and even if it 2x or more expensive than the Jepp option, I would still switch back to NACO in an instant. Edited by roltman - 26 Mar 2015 at 6:29pm |
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MysticCobra
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Maybe. But I've never had an issue with NACO charts, nor have I had to beat my head against an idiotic billing system to get them.
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Leonard
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oskrypuch
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True, I've had my frustrations through the years, but you can't beat Jepp charts for clarity and layout.
* Orest Edited by oskrypuch - 26 Mar 2015 at 4:54pm |
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MysticCobra
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Jepp's billing system is absolutely ridiculous. When I transitioned from my 430W subscription to the IFD subscription, I ended up with THREE invoices:
- One to cancel the existing subscription and create a credit for the unused portion - One to create the new subscription and charge full price for it - One to apply the credit to the new subscription
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ddgates
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Yes it was related to the double download fix.
The hook is that the invoices indicate an amount due.
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teeth6
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I got one also. Are you sure this wasn't just a function of Jepp fixing the issue with the downloads. They had to re-enter everyones order to fix that issue and it resulted in getting a new invoice but I also received an invoice for credits that balanced it out with a net owed of zero between the two.
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ddgates
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This is getting ridiculous.
We really need another vendor option for data for our Avidyne boxes. It was a comedy trying to get a bundle purchased from Jeppesen(which I did in January) - cost ~ $1K. That was two months ago. Now they are billing me again for the full bundle. Again ~ $1K. Really, Boeing, can't you find an MBA in your organization to manage these things? Avidyne needs to partner with somebody else (suggest Seattle Avionics). At least with them if you have an issue Steve Podrachik fixes it. EDIT: I acquired one reliable contact at Jepp. She fixed it. Avidyne told Jepp they need to permit two downloads for us lucky souls who have two IFD540s. I am pretty sure, though, Avidyne didn't tell them to bill twice for it. Fixed, until next Jepp misstep. Edited by ddgates - 26 Mar 2015 at 12:22pm |
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MysticCobra
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Short answer: Call Jepp and talk to someone (and hope you get someone who's up to date on the Avidyne packages).
Worst-case, they should give you a pro-rated rebate on the remainder of your current subscription, and apply that to a new annual subscription for the larger package you want. This is how Jepp handled it for than those of us who upgraded from GNSx30's and still had some months left in our Garmin data subscription. If there are other options, a Jepp CSR should be able to explain them. (Don't expect the online system to be able to handle such a change, though.)
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paulr
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Apologies for being lazy, but I figured someone else has probably already had this exact same question. If you buy the chart package for eastern or western US, what's the update process and cost like if you want to add the missing half? (Same question for Canada, I suppose, as my co-owner is Canadian and I know he will be flying up there occasionally).
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oskrypuch
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I had been using Jepp charts, and its NavSuite and tablet app before my IFD540. The Aviydne package actually saves me money on the deal.
The Jepp software is very powerful, and Jepp charts are not to be beat. I delight in being able to access them on the IFD now, as well. * Orest |
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teeth6
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Paul,
I was in the same situation as you and had everything East of the Mississippi when I had my Garmin 430s. At that time I was not a Foreflight user and liked the Jepp mobile maps on my IPad for use in flight with an external GPS antenna. I also liked being able to look at and print approach plates from my PC via JeppView. I am now a Foreflight user but like you, don't normally fly West of the Mississippi so I opted to keep the same Jepp subscription. Even though, I no longer use the Jepp maps in flight, I still like the ability to have access to them. There is more chance of me using the mobile app or Jeppview than needing anything West of the Mississippi. Hope this helps. |
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Don
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I am a fore flight guy too and I had the same quandary ... i battled it in my head for about two weeks and did the research on the Flight Deck IFR add on from jep... if you have been using it for a while its a no brainer.. but using fore flight I can go to whatever I need in seconds and i have the option for vfr .. IFR low en route views etc. thru FF... plus the stratus II w/ syn vision is pretty sweet, but i have been using FF for two years also ... the bundle they offered me was 994 for all US charts etc. for IFD, and 1290 i think for the IFD, Mobile FD for pads and smart tablets, and a windows based program for computer flight planning etc. ( I use MAC so that doesn't work for me) the way i see it is thats a 300 dollar program I don't need.. and I am using FF for viewing charts, plates, flight plans etc. and kinda have more with it as well. Both the IFD and Jepp are evolving and I may change down the road, but for now with my flying styles and locations I am perfectly fine with fore flight. and the all us 994 option.
Also I watched a few videos on the Jepp IFR flight deck mobile for iPads and its a whole new learning experience coming from fore flight ... not something i need right now, trying to learn the IFD :-) , and Jepp FD, just my two cents .. but definitely contact Captain for your help with Jep
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Paul
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I'm trying to decide what to buy for our new IFD 540.
We want everything for now. And there are two possible bundles. One bundle gives us everything for the entire US for about $1000. The other bundle gives us everything east of the Mississippi. It is about the same price and we're unlikely to fly west of the Mississippi. It comes with data for up to four mobile devices. Can someone explain to me why I would want the data on mobile devices? We're currently using Foreflight and don't plan to switch (with the caveat that we'll consider it if some other program does great things with the IFD and Foreflight doesn't). |
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Don
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Thanks cardinal for that !!! I will go ahead and figure out the right bundle that i need and go for it !!!! i do like to hear other peoples experience. What you said makes perfect sense.
Yes definitely, on the CFO.. love those guys.. Taking the cardinal to winter haven fly in this year and sun n fun as well ... can't wait its gonna be a lot of fun !!!
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There's no right answer, but here's my experience. In the push towards your IFR check ride you will almost certainly shoot more approaches and do more holds than you do in the next several years. I was a better, more experienced, more confident pilot on the day of my check ride than 2 years later. It wasn't that I didn't fly, but I didn't fly under the hood or in IMC nearly as often. I use my IFR as a backup and skill booster, a way to get through cloud layers, and don't launch if low IFR is predicted. That tells me that having the subscription now, when you are intensely learning to work the airplane, the radios, and the ATC system is probably more important than later. So I would get that subscription now. Good luck on your ticket! The Cardinal makes a great instrument platform. Do you participate in CFO, cardinalflyers.com? Edited by cardinal driver - 04 Mar 2015 at 10:09am |
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oskrypuch
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Confirmed, your license is by aircraft registration, not unit s/n. And that is a big net savings over the G platform. * Orest Edited by oskrypuch - 04 Mar 2015 at 11:51am |
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The Jepp Navdata coverage of Central Europe is about 11% more expensive for a single IFD540 compared to the G430W (EUR344 vs EUR310). There is a separate subscription available for coverage of ALL VFR airfields (not available for the G430W. I assume this means additional non-ICAO VFR airfields since ICAO VFR airfields are already in the basic coverage) but the price for this is additional 75% (EUR259). I've asked if there is a bundle of the two coverages since there is an overlap between the two (ICAO VFR airfields).... answer pending.
Can anyone confirm that a single Navdata subscription can be loaded into 2 IFD's? I'll be replacing my G430W with an IFD440 and it would be nice if the IFD440 would be included under the IFD540 subscription. Edited by chflyer - 04 Mar 2015 at 3:13am |
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Don
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I am going thru the same thing ... emailed Captain last night and got a reply this morning...very nice !!!!
Now its only my ignorance that needs getting worked out !!! Question: on the bundles there are 8 ... all america... east central.... west central... etc As I don't have an IFR ticket yet, but will have by end of year ... should i stay with the loaded data on IFD for now until i get closer to check ride?? save money ??? Or go ahead and get a bundle now ??? And I am guessing that "east central america" is cheaper than "all america" bundle ?? Please excuse my ignorance on this... can't learn if you don't ask questions. This is my first time dealing with IFR in the panel other than forelight practicing and also a cardinal driver as well !!! Love the cardinal thanks Edited by Don - 03 Mar 2015 at 10:35pm |
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cardinal driver
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I've learned that not only is it important to contact
captain@jeppesen.com for assistance with the Avidyne bundles, it is required. She's been very helpful assisting me with selecting a bundle appropriate for my flying habits. When I asked if I should email her or make the purchase online, she responded: The only option to purchase online is ala carte which will be a lot more pricey. Please email us... You do need a Jeppesen account set up, provide that in the email. Perhaps this will reduce some of the frustration expressed here. Would it be worth a notice to all owners? I almost bought online and was lucky enough to find this thread first. |
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ddgates
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Agree.
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oskrypuch
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Not sure if you were commenting on my post. Yes, the iOS Flightdeck "FD" app is quite nice. The android app is the version 1.x one (Flightdeck TC), and is only a chart viewer. I have no iThingies. * Orest |
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All respect.
Not true. I have JeppFD on my iPad, and I love it. |
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oskrypuch
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I came from using Jepp's Navsuite, so converted over to the new bundle with Jeppview and Flightdeck. They are great pieces of software, and "thrown in" with the package. Unfortunately Jepp only has a more basic android Flightdeck app, but it will certainly view charts nicely. * Orest Edited by oskrypuch - 28 Feb 2015 at 9:13pm |
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Then, well done!
I hope that Avidyne is considering working with Jepp on connectivity between the IFD540 and JeppFD.
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That is intentionally part of the bundle.
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ddgates
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Don't know what others have experienced but the unintended consequence of the cost of Jeppesen navdata through the bundle if you buy charts is that you get also.
The PC based programs:
and you get the iPad app JeppFD, which I really like. If you like looking at plates on your tablet (I do), the Jepp plates on the iPad are terrific. |
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Teeth6,
Make sure both units have the same registration in Maintenance mode. Worked for me two days ago. The only security I see they've implimented is the authorize.dat file which is tied to your "N" number, which needs to been setup during installation on both units. |
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Geoff,
I tried your system today and had no luck. I downloaded the NAV data onto my first FOB and then used Windows to copy and paste onto my 2nd FOB. When installing onto my 540s, the first FOB installed fine but the 2nd FOB gave an error message of "Data Load Not Authorized." I called Jepp and they said this system of copying would not work and that Avidyne is now suggesting to download two separate Nav data files onto 2 separate FOBs. They acknowledged that their system is not set up yet to do this but they are aware of the problem and it will be fixed before the next cycle. Jepp plans to email everyone with a dual 540 setup. I'm not sure why the copy/paste system is working for you. |
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NOW you tell me. Lol! Since the Avidyne bundle covers as many IFDs that you have in the panel, it seems the easiest solution would be for JEPP to not have the updates remaining counter, count down to zero. It should just stay at 1 as it does with the electronic approach chart subscription and all FOBs could be updated in a standardized way.
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Yup, btw, with the Garmin 430/530 Jsum download software you could do something similar and update multiple cards from a single subscription...
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Good point Geoff. . Guess I'm so used to the old Garmin way, I couldn't see the forest through the trees. I guess all dual 540 owners are seeing just the one available update then?
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Just use windows to copy your downloaded Jepp information from FOB1 to FOB2.
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Jake,Would you explain how the Jepp subscription is supposed to work for 2 IFDs? I know it is the same cost whether you have 1 IFD or 2 IFDs. Since I have 2, I would expect my JSUM site to have 2 updates of the Nav Data so I can put one on each FOB and install into both of my IFDs at the same time. Each cycle I see only 1 update my JSUM site and have to call in and have another added. Finally, after calling again today, I was told that Jepp normally supplies only 1 update for 1 FOB and that FOB is used to install on both IFDs. I explained I prefer to have 2 available so I can put updat 2 FOBs and install both units at the same time. He told me he would make that change on my account so it is easier for me, but at the next renewal I would be charged double and would have to call in to explain and have it corrected.
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Tony:
This is what I have for the IFR bundle:
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Steve,
So that we all get from Jepp what we are suppose to get, can you post somewhere the correct part number we should ask for when we set up our monthly subscription and what that part number should provide to the user? I think that will help.
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Copy all.
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+1 for GPS location data to Jepp mobile FD. WOuld not want to exclude FF for Flight plan updates if that is an option.
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Newest ask for new connection targets.
Using the 540 for position sense and flight plan transfer to Jepp mobile FD would be an ideal pairing. |
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OK - settled. Terrain update infrequent.
So - after nothing but problems, Jake navigated the Jepp system, and I made contact with a credible support person. I had just NavData. Now I have: NavData Charts (yay! real Jepp plates!) Obstacles Terrain (intermittent) Jepp Mobile FD (which playing with it on iPad I think I am really going to like, at least for the IFR platform. I have SV on my Aspens and have active traffic (thanks Avidyne). If Aspen ever gets their act together I will have ADS-B WX and Traffic on the Aspens as well. Don't see as I need FF or GP (until Avidyne unless connectivity between iPad and 540). I think I'm good. Now. Thanks, Jake.
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