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It'll be certified prior to Oshkosh.
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This is going to be close. Oshkosh 2014 starts the 28th. I can't stand the suspense. Will it be certified or not?

I guess It's time to call the radio shop and start pissing him off instead of Steve. On another note, anyone interested in a slightly broken in Garmin 430W? Sorry, no tray.



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Steve, thank you and congratulations to the team.  Well done.  
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Tim,

Almost, but not quite.   The FAA is just crunching through the rest of the documentation for their signoff.    They have everything and as of Monday, will have no more outstanding action item data.  It could be Monday, it could be Thursday.  It depends on how fast they can churn through the rest of the data.
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Originally posted by AviJake AviJake wrote:

(17 July 2014 IFD540 Certification Update)

The DO-200A audit is complete.   We picked up two documentation findings that will be addressed by tomorrow and into the FAA's hands no later than Monday 21 July.   They know the exact documentation changes being made and agree that they fully address the two findings.

so that's it right?
It's all done?
This Monday is THE day ??
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(17 July 2014 IFD540 Certification Update)

The DO-200A audit is complete.   We picked up two documentation findings that will be addressed by tomorrow and into the FAA's hands no later than Monday 21 July.   They know the exact documentation changes being made and agree that they fully address the two findings.
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It has been a looooog 2 years for me.
My Baron is sitting for a couple of months with an empty 530W case waiting for this event.
The good news is I sold my Garmin, before the prices drop!
I really like the Garmin products, but feel what Avidyne did with the ID540 will be great for general aviation.
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Finally an alternative to Garmin?
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Excellent! Congratulations.  Oh the anticipation! 
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Great news! I have several empty racks waiting to be filled.... Bring it on!
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Very well earned congratulations!
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Outstanding!!!!!!

So, only the  DO-200A audit, which is pretty low risk.

Wow.

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Wonderful!
 
Isn't the software audit (DO something or other) the remaining barrier/
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Well done Avidyne
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Congratulations to the Avidyne Team!
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(16 July 2014 Certification Update)

FAA TIA flight test of the IFD540 is officially done and passed.
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how did we do today? any issues? any preliminary feedback?
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Sorry folks, I can't follow the current line of questioning. 

Can you start a new thread and pose your questions there?    I'll jump on them when I get done with FAA TIA testing in a day or so.


Edited by AviJake - 15 Jul 2014 at 6:02pm
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Originally posted by brou0040 brou0040 wrote:

Originally posted by oskrypuch oskrypuch wrote:

Well, because Avidyne will be adopting Capstone format for the inputs, then as soon as that is implemented, most solutions (even non-Avidyne) should work.


Garmin is a big exception, it has adopted a proprietary format, you have to have all Garmin for it to work.



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As far as I can <FONT color=#000000>tell, Capstone only applies to the ADS-B in format, I have yet to see any answers to my question about Avidyne providing GPS data in the standard ADS-B format for other devices such as the NavWorx <FONT size=2 face=Arial>ADS600-B.  I'd hate to get forced into having to install an AXP340 in order to use the IFD as a GPS source then have to get a receiver to receive ads-b in, and yet another device to display.[/COLOR][/COLOR]

<FONT size=2 face=Arial>[/COLOR] 

<FONT size=2 face=Arial>Avidyne has mentioned they will have additional ADS-B solutions, but haven't released any information yet.  If the end product isn't going to support my needs at a cost I will pay, I'd like to know that prior to installing my 540.[/COLOR]


I was curious about this myself. I have a NAVWorx 600b box available which I wanted to see if I could use it to provide ADSB traffic along with TCAS in a Cirrus while also giving me ADSB weather to the EX5000 MFD.   The answer is no.   Even though Navworx supports capstone interface for traffic and weather, the avidyne rep I spoke to said that there is no support on the EX5000 MFD (yet).   So, that is the situation. Seems the best you might be able to do do is to get traffic over ARINC to the MFD but weather is no go. Best option may just be to a portable for weather.
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I'm in the Melbourne Florida office now and the week has begun....

The FAA pilot shows up at 0800 Tuesday.   He just shot us a revised set of the test points he wants to fly.  His current plan is one flight on Tues exercising the system and a 2nd flight on Wed focusing on approaches and missed approaches.  The weather forecast looks like it should support morning flights on both days.

The other FAA crew also show up at 0800 on Tuesday to start their 3-day DO-200A compliance audit.  We've been given a preliminary set of findings last Friday and have already started actioning these documentation issues.  We hope to present the completed actions to the audit crew during the opening session Tues am.
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Is weather a factor for the FAA testing this week?

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good luck this week!
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Orest is correct and David's report is news to me so I'll check with Sales - those shipping logistics are a Sales Op.

Yes we have been Red Label for a while, company flight test is done, and we've turned in all our paperwork to the FAA and they've issued TIA.   We're in wait mode looking forward to the week of 14 July which is when the FAA is conducting their TIA flight testing and their DO-200A audit.  We spoke to the FAA folks yesterday confirming their travel plans on Monday the 14th.   More production boxes have piled up in the factory ready for shipping in the meantime.  For better or worse, I've got nothing else to report until those activities are behind us.
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I spoke with Sales day before yesterday.

He said he would talk to Jake, but that they weren't planning on contacting early recipients this week; they were going to wait awhile.

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Reportedly Avidyne started their initial production run last week, and this week the month 1 & month 2 folks are to be expecting a call from sales to finalize the shipping arrangements.

They will start shipping less than 24 hrs from when the final FAA paperwork is inked, which is expected mid-July, and before OSH. The FAA rescheduled the final checks to July, Avidyne was ready for them in June. So it goes.

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So, I see no announcement about making Red Label in June.  What is the status?
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Originally posted by oskrypuch oskrypuch wrote:

Well, because Avidyne will be adopting Capstone format for the inputs, then as soon as that is implemented, most solutions (even non-Avidyne) should work.

Garmin is a big exception, it has adopted a proprietary format, you have to have all Garmin for it to work.

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As far as I can tell, Capstone only applies to the ADS-B in format, I have yet to see any answers to my question about Avidyne providing GPS data in the standard ADS-B format for other devices such as the NavWorx ADS600-B.  I'd hate to get forced into having to install an AXP340 in order to use the IFD as a GPS source then have to get a receiver to receive ads-b in, and yet another device to display.
 
Avidyne has mentioned they will have additional ADS-B solutions, but haven't released any information yet.  If the end product isn't going to support my needs at a cost I will pay, I'd like to know that prior to installing my 540.


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The ADSB-out transponder is there, AXP340, for iirc 3995.  What's missing is ADSB-in.  But you can buy a portable receiver that will display both traffic and weather on an Ipad running Foreflight, equipment cost roughly $1500 plus the $74 FF subscription.

Originally posted by brou0040 brou0040 wrote:

With all my my midwest and east coast flying lately, ADS-B weather has certainly gone way up on my wish list.  I'm concerned about WHEN this capability will be available for the 540.  I know it is not in the initial release, but I have no idea when it will be available considering how many other projects Avidyne has stacked up.  I'm afraid that after the 540/440 are certified, the engineering resources will be diverted to get other projects certified before coming back to adding features.  I've always known I was going to add ADS-B weather so knowing it would be available was a warm and fuzzy, but now I'm wondering if it's going to be another 2-3 years for that capability.  Considering we're starting to plan logistics, I'll need to have an idea of what's going on fairly soon.

Maybe I've missed announcements, but the following statements make me nervous that this capability won't be available for a long time.  Do these statement still stand as current?

"The rest of the Avidyne ADS-B product variant roadmap will not be announced anytime soon."

"No, there is currently no product (remote mount, ADS-B Out transponder) that can work with the IFD540/440.

However, we certainly plan to create just such a device.  We have not announced a time frame yet."
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Well, because Avidyne will be adopting Capstone format for the inputs, then as soon as that is implemented, most solutions (even non-Avidyne) should work.

Garmin is a big exception, it has adopted a proprietary format, you have to have all Garmin for it to work.

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With all my my midwest and east coast flying lately, ADS-B weather has certainly gone way up on my wish list.  I'm concerned about WHEN this capability will be available for the 540.  I know it is not in the initial release, but I have no idea when it will be available considering how many other projects Avidyne has stacked up.  I'm afraid that after the 540/440 are certified, the engineering resources will be diverted to get other projects certified before coming back to adding features.  I've always known I was going to add ADS-B weather so knowing it would be available was a warm and fuzzy, but now I'm wondering if it's going to be another 2-3 years for that capability.  Considering we're starting to plan logistics, I'll need to have an idea of what's going on fairly soon.

Maybe I've missed announcements, but the following statements make me nervous that this capability won't be available for a long time.  Do these statement still stand as current?

"The rest of the Avidyne ADS-B product variant roadmap will not be announced anytime soon."

"No, there is currently no product (remote mount, ADS-B Out transponder) that can work with the IFD540/440.

However, we certainly plan to create just such a device.  We have not announced a time frame yet."
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Yes, it did.  I don't remember the exact count but it was about 8.  And we made a number of Pilot Guide and Install Manual mods based on pilot program input.
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just wondering, did the pilot program generate any software fixes?
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Jared heads up Sales at Avidyne.  The logistics of notifying owners and shipping boxes is a Sales Op so that's all his.
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OMG, I'm starting to get giddy...... who is Jared Butson ?

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Ed, 

Jared Butson is coordinating shipment dates for the pre-buy folks.   I think he plans to contact Month 1 and 2 people within the next week to start working the logistics.
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We were ready for June.   FAA picked July for their audit and flights.  Not sure how that's "spun as progress".
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So, last promise I saw was june.  Now it is latter half of July and certainly bu OSH. 

So, this means another promised deadline missed but spun as "progress".

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Steve,

Does that mean month 1 shipments in  July (Assuming cert before Osh).

I am month 2 and  I am trying to figure out how to coordinate with my shop on install.

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We've been coordinating the end-game tightly with the FAA.  They are driving hard to meet a pre-Osh cert.   We'll already pulled the trigger on the first production lot. We expect to be shipping certified units less than 24 hours after getting STC/TSO (and yes, the FAA has agreed to the AML list and process so it will be an AML STC).
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With your experience with past products, how long do you think it will take the FAA to compile the data, issue their findings and give you approval on the TSO and STC?  Do you already have approval for the AML? When will you pull the trigger on your first production lot and how long will it take to complete the orders?

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With you experience with past products, how long do you think it will take the FAA to compile the data, issue their findings and give you approval on the TSO and STC?  do you already have approval for the AML?
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(24 June 2014 Certification Update)

Everything is progressing well.

The FAA has scheduled TIA flight tests for the week of 14 July in Melbourne FL.  That is the same week and location as the DO-200A Compliance Audit.  They are trying to be efficient with their resources and budgets and since they can't issue cert until the DO-200 compliance audit is completed, the conclusion was there was no sense in conducting TIA flight tests at a different time.

Everything the FAA is saying and doing, still points to them approving the cert in time to allow for shipping prior to Oshkosh.  We get it and they get it.  We're quite optimistic.    Not sure there is anything more I can report on prior to the week of 14 July.
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Are we into TIA testing yet?  How is the data chain certification progressing? 

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Originally posted by brou0040 brou0040 wrote:

To Avijake's credit, being open with us is the only reason I haven't pulled my deposit, I have seen zero updates outside of this forum for the money I put down years ago.
That's a fair point.  I've not been in this as long as some -- I put a deposit on an IFD-440 in November of 2012 and upgraded that to a 540 in April of 2013.

I went back and checked, and since that November date I have received two unprompted communications from Avidyne.  

The first was on July 24 of last year.  It was from Patrick Herguth, and stated Avidyne's goal to have the 540 into certification in Q4 2014.  To be fair, it did also say that the best way to keep abreast of developments was here on AvidyneLive.

The second was last week, announcing the iPad app (yay!!).

All things considered, I think a bit more proactive communication would probably be appreciated, but I did follow Patrick's advice to come here instead! :)  I certainly appreciate Steve's efforts to keep us all up to date, and I think he strikes a good balance between candor and maintaining confidentiality of the company's information.

I wish I could be at Oshkosh this year.
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Originally posted by chflyer chflyer wrote:

Do you have a preorder with month 1 delivery position?

Given that the 540 production is all sold out for the first 7 months or more, I can't imagine a walk-in getting a unit at Oshkosh ahead of those of us who have been waiting for 3 years for one ;-)






I actually could imagine it since Avidyne would get more money for those boxes.  There would of course be quite the uproar if we found out.
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I agree.

Jake has kept me in the game.

If the updates were just the mindlesss notices "New (Delayed) Release Date", I would have bailed some time ago.

But that said, all patience has limits...
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Originally posted by AzAv8r AzAv8r wrote:

To place blame on Avidyne (or even the stuckees at the FAA) is misguided, and demonstrates ignorance of the regulatory and legislative processes in the US.  If Avidyne is to be faulted, is it for being so open with us?  Is that a fault?

Just saying...

Jon



No it is not being ignorant, it is understanding the development and company statements of the program and not for just the last few months.  Avijake has stated that FAA delays are not the significant contributor to the overall delay of this program, even when considering sequestration.  It is totally understandable for people who have had money down for years not to totally wipe the plate clean saying the delays are out of Avidyne's control because of the FAA's latest minor delay.  I know he's just a messenger so it's nothing personal, but Avidyne can be faulted for much more than simply being open with us.  To Avijake's credit, being open with us is the only reason I haven't pulled my deposit, I have seen zero updates outside of this forum for the money I put down years ago.
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I absolutely agree Oshkosh is an amazingly low-risk place.  America at it's finest.  But think of it a different way:  Could you really enjoy Oshkosh carrying around a box worth about $17K? (Not your cost; what it would cost to replace.)   What if you got distracted and left it somewhere?  Dropped it?  It got hit by a tow vehicle, or someone (non-aviator) broke in to your car at the dorm and took it...?

Me?  Don't want to do that.  Don't want to THINK about that while I'm at Oshkosh.  I want to be soaking up everything else.  Please, just ship it!  (But soon, mind you...)

Also - as to the FAA scheduling kerfluffle: Steve was forthright from the beginning with respect to the FAA component of the schedule, and his certification criteria published in this forum were clearly (and described as) the things within Avidyne's control.  Furthermore, the material presented in this forum would indicate that Avidyne has been very proactive in managing those risks outside of their control.

It would be good if our Federal Goverment could *OPENLY* be compelled (or incentivized) to make commitments for which they are accountable; unfortunately, they cannot, beyond the Polls, and in this particular circumstance Avidyne (and those of use who have committed to a purchase) must bear the burden.  To place blame on Avidyne (or even the stuckees at the FAA) is misguided, and demonstrates ignorance of the regulatory and legislative processes in the US.  If Avidyne is to be faulted, is it for being so open with us?  Is that a fault?

Just saying...

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