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AviSteve
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Not sure where that went, but I just reposted it.
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teeth6
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I went back to re-read the networking setup and that link seems to have been removed. Can it be reposted <<<
I realize that none of this
helps you get documentation regarding the network setup. Frankly, it's
silly that the documentation is currently in the IM but the IM is not
readily available. We plan to address the whole situation in 10.3.
Specifically, we plan to make the network setup easier and more robust
and also put the documentation in the PG. In the meantime, here is a
section of some documentation that provides networking setup
instructions. NetworkingSetup.pdf>>>>Edited by teeth6 - 12 Aug 2018 at 10:17am |
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AviSteve
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ChainSaw
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which WiFi encryption protocol does the ifd440 WiFi use? WPA, WEP, or WPA2, other??? I believe this is going to be one of the final puzzle pieces to getting the ifd440 to connect wirelessly to a third party app on a Droid device such as Flight Plan GO. I get the ifd440 to connect for about the first 25 seconds then the Flight Plan GO app does not receive further updates from the ifd440.
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AviSteve
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Yes, the altitude target that drives the banana is the next altitude constraint on or after the active leg. In R9, we would use the preselect altitude to drive the banana. When we converted R9 to the IFD series, we didn't have reliable access to an altitude preselect so we took out the banana. When we put it back in for the IFDs, we based it instead on the next altitude constraint on or after the active leg.
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mfb
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Can the banana get its target altitude from the altitude pre-select in an Aspen PFD? Do you have to have a crossing (target) altitude programmed into your flight plan in order to see a banana? Thanks Mike Edited by mfb - 07 Jul 2018 at 8:43am |
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When on the AUX page of the app, it says it is software version 10.2.1 but it must be the latest release as the SW Part number is dated Feb 9, 2018 and when I deleted the app and re-downloaded, the same version was reinstalled.
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AviSteve
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Can you verify IFD100 app is at 10.2.5? If it is, I just don't understand why you wouldn't be seeing the banana. To generate the banana, the IFD needs:
There's nothing out of the ordinary that is needed for the computation. I really need other guys that don't see it on the IFD100 to post configuration/installation details so we can see if there's a common thread. |
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teeth6
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My 550 and 540 are at 10.2.2 but I had the banana issue at 10.2.1 also. I believe I’m at at latest release of the IFD 100 as there isn’t an update for me at the App Store.
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AviSteve
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I haven't seen configurations for anyone else who does not see the banana on the IFD100, so I set up our lab to match your 429 configuration. Again, I don't think there's anything there that should be configuration dependent, but I tried anyway. I just set up a simple flight plan from KMLB to CRG and put a 4000 foot constraint on CRG. Then, I simulated the aircraft taking off and climbing. Sure enough, I saw the banana on both the IFD550 and the IFD100. I had 10.2.1 in the 550 and IFD100 app was at 10.2.5. Does that match your configuration?
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paulr
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Help! My banana is being suppressed!
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teeth6
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Do you mean you are not seeing the banana on the IFD units themselves, either? * Orest Edited by teeth6 - 05 Jul 2018 at 10:59pm |
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Just to avoid confusion, that was the light inside of my head.
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rpostmo
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Thank you! Now the light comes on.
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oskrypuch
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The banana is suppressed on precision (LPV, ILS) approaches.
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rpostmo
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Banana showed up on the VOR 13 FFM today, but not on the subsequent RNAV 15 BWP. I could see it well on both the IFD540 and the IFD100 during the VOR approach, though it can get a little hard to see if you're not zoomed in moderately. I'm not sure why it didn't show up on the LPV approach as everything else seemed to be working normally. Databases are up to date if that matters.
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oskrypuch
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Do you mean you are not seeing the banana on the IFD units themselves, either? * Orest |
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teeth6
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I just had a 550 installed to replace one of my 540s and tried to see the Boeing banana when the IPad was connected to the 550. I had no luck on that box either. I'm not sure of the 429 settings on the 550 but I don't see the banana on either of my boxes.
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teeth6
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This is the 429 Config page.
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teeth6
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This is the 232 page and I'm in the camp that does not see the "banana" on my IFD100. I'll post the 429 image next.
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AviSteve
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I got the image uploads working last night, so you can post pictures of the config screens if you like.
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AviSteve
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Go into maintenance mode, config tab. The first two pages are Main 429 and Main 232, respectively.
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teeth6
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Where can we find the 429 and 232 settings? Is this something our installer has to provide or can they be found in maintenance mode on certain configuration pages?
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AviSteve
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I'm not sure why the banana doesn't show up on the IFD100 for some of you. The computation involves altitude, vertical speed, and groundspeed. In the absence of real air data, the system will use GPS derived altitude and vertical speed.
There's nothing there that should be dependent upon configuration. Nevertheless, let's see if there's a common configuration issue between those for whom it works and those for whom it doesn't. Please post your 429 and 232 configuration settings and indicate whether the banana works on your IFD100. Once there are several posted, maybe some common characteristic will show itself. Or maybe not... FYI, it appears that the image upload is broken again and I'm working to get that resolved. So, unfortunately, you'll have to just post your settings using text for now.
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rpostmo
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Not showing up on mine either.
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teeth6
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I'm still not seeing the Boeing Banana on the IFD 100 and not sure why. It seems some people see it and others don't
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HenryM
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The reason for connecting to the Stratus/Stratux network is that you can then have ForeFlight (maybe also FlyQ EFB) exchange flight plans with the IFD while getting traffic and weather from the Stratus device. ForeFlight cannot currently display traffic from the SkyTrax/MLB100 device because of some software issue. Unfortunately, this also means relying on a portable device that may or may not be in the plane for your network access. I've had enough issues with my Stratux to not want this.
These portable ADS-B devices are not able to connect to the IFD network, so the workaround is to have the IFD connect to the network they provide. I would prefer to use the IFD network, but apparently it is somewhat complicated to make the Stratus/Stratux switch from being an access point to being a device on the network. It is possible to do it manually, but you then need to tell them where all the devices are. It is not a clean plug and play. By the way, I did solve my issue with the IFD-100 that I mentioned above. My problem was that for some reason my IFD-540 was configured to have SysID 2. This setting is also called Chassis ID by the IFD-100. It turns out the IFD-100 expect there to be at least one ChassisID 1 in the installation, even if you change the setting to look for ChassisID 2. I had to remove my IFD-540 and flip a dip switch on the right side to set it to ChassisID 1. Once I did that, the IFD-100 worked as expected. I also disabled cellular data in the IFD-100 settings on my iPad.
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Forgive me as I'm late to this discussion, but does this Stratus or Stratux setup allow ADSB traffic/weather to be displayed on the IFD?
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No, nothing special that I recall. Was NOT using the Stratus at the time, so initially just left it in the default local mode on the IFD. In that firmware, there was nothing else to twiddle.
When I installed the Stratux, used the remote mode on the IFD.
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Awesome. What did you have to do to get the S2 to see the ifd 440 wifi? Ifd Network: local or remote? Any changes to ifd IP or default? Any special settings on S2? I have the ifd Wifi enabled and icon shows green in local mode. Any thoughts based on your success ? n
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oskrypuch
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Yes, when I was using FltPlan on my Tab S2, I could connect and download flight plans and such. That was firmware 10.1 I think. I havve jumped to FF these days (for Jepps & IFD100), but I am pretty sure that FltPlan has updated the features even further on both android & iOS.
* Orest Edited by oskrypuch - 31 May 2018 at 6:32pm |
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I have the network settimg for the IFD in Local mode and networking is on. The WiFi symbol is bright green. However, none of my Android devices see the 'LIO_WIFI' from the IFD. Has anyone ACTUALLY connected Droid device to an ifd440 in any meaningful way?
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HenryM
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i will check on the IFD-100 next time I go to the airport.
I’ve heard there’s an issue with having both FF and the IFD-100 app running at the same time that causes FF not to be able to upload a flight plan. Hopefully that gets resolved, but I will double check I do t have the IFD running to see if that fixes the issue I reported above. It is not a dealbreaker for me. What is the symptom of the databases between the IFD-540 and the IFD-100 not being synchronized? Does the app report an error or does it just not work? My IFD-540 has an older, out of date, charts database. I no longer subscribe to charts, but the old database was on my USB drive when I updated the database and is installed in the IFD-540. My IFD-100 just has the current Nav and Obstacle database, along with terrain, but not the outdated charts. Is there a way to delete the old charts database from the IFD, without reinstalling the firmware? |
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After reinstalling nav data my wifi connected again and all is working. Now have 10.2.1 and the current nav data on both my IFD440 and IFD100.
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AviSteve
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Try turning off the cellular data while connected to the IFD.
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My iPad wasn’t seeing the network after the 10.2.1 update, but perhaps I was just being impatient. I went back to the hangar a few days later and waited a few minutes before firing up my iPad. The network was there. Thinking back to the update, I didn’t power off my Avidyne after the update, when the network wasn’t showing up. Maybe it needed the full power-off reboot. In any case, it has worked fine after that initial time that the network didn’t show up. I did not have to get GPS lock or anything else. It just started working when I got to the airport a few days after the initial installation.
Today I went flying and I do seem to have an issue with the apps that connects to the IFD. WiFi is working. My iPad connects to the IFD network and I am able to send flight plans from the IFD-540 to ForeFlight. However: 1.) The IFD-100 app doesn’t appear to be talking to the IFD-540 at all. It behaves the same as if I start the app at home. It says it doesn’t have GPS position (I have a cellular iPad with built-in GPS, and ForeFlight claims it gets GPS from the IFD). It doesn’t show the radio frequencies of the IFD-540, just red x’s. 2.) ForeFlight can download flight plans, but there is no button to upload a flight plan from ForeFlight to the IFD. 3.) I have a SkyTrax 100 that shows traffic and weather on the IFD-540. FlyQ EFB, however, acts as if there is not ADS-B In source. FlyQ is listed as an app that supports traffic and weather coming from the IFD. I have the latest versions of all apps available from the App Store. Edited by HenryM - 30 Mar 2018 at 11:37pm |
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Thanks, glad to know it's to be expected. Now if I can just get the wifi back!
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Nav data IS lost with the update. Be prepared to load Nav Data again.
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I'm having issues with my WIFI after updating to 10.2.1 also. I have it set on local wifi, and neither of my ipads are seeing the network. I was out of the hanger and even took a short flight. WIFI worked fine before the update. I also lost my latest nav data I'd just loaded the other day, not a big deal, I'll just reload that.
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HenryM
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The connection works inside the hangar. I was being too impatient. It took a couple of minutes for the WiFi connection to become visible, but then I was able to move a flight plan from the IFD-540 to ForeFlight on my iPad. What didn't work inside the hangar is moving a flight plan from the iPad to the IFD-540 (ForeFlight doesn't show a button to go in that direction), or to have the IFD-100 app synchronized with the IFD-540. From what I read in other threads, a GPS connection is required for these transfers to work. I still haven't had a chance to check that out. Hopefully I can pull the plane out this weekend.
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Very good. That even explains the mysterious question marks.
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Sorry, this got lost in the fray... We have indeed updated the PGs and they are available on the website. Those don’t actually go through the FAA, so just internal signoff is required and the documents get reposted. You'll be disappointed, though, if you go looking through the PG for a lot of networking setup detail, because it just directs you to the installation manual. Installation manuals do require FAA involvement and that's what we are still waiting on. Not that it's a big deal, it's just that our primary FAA guy has been unavailable for the last couple of weeks. He's back now and we expect to have the IM approved this week. Which brings me to the subject of installation manuals. While it's true that IMs were once posted on our public website, they were removed quite a while ago, primarily for liability reasons. I don't claim to understand all of the legalities involved, but that's the whole story - nothing nefarious. IMs are obviously available to installers, so if you are a self-installer, I'd suggest getting with tech support in order to obtain a copy of the IM. I realize that none of this helps you get documentation regarding the network setup. Frankly, it's silly that the documentation is currently in the IM but the IM is not readily available. We plan to address the whole situation in 10.3. Specifically, we plan to make the network setup easier and more robust and also put the documentation in the PG. In the meantime, here is a section of some documentation that provides networking setup instructions. |
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The IFDs have a SD card (or maybe two) in the side of the unit under a sticker that says tampering with the sticker voids the warranty (or something to that effect). You have to pull the unit from the panel to see the sticker.
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I have the same issue of the WiFi network not showing up after I updated my IFD-540. I don’t understand the SD card comment. My 540 doesn’t have an SD card that I know of.
I have the 540 set to Local WiFi. It seems to be working but I don’t see the network with my iPad. I sort of remember when I upgraded to 10.2.0 I needed to have GPS satellite lock for everything to work. I haven’t had a chance to try that yet. I only tried inside a hangar without GPS reception. I will check in the next few days. |
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Hey guys,
So I have a unique WiFi issue. I had a IFD440 installed in my SR22 a few weeks ago. Once I picked up the plane I noticed that neither Wifi or bluetooth were working properly. I saw the wifi page in the maintenance menu, but I couldn't see any IFD network when set to 'local' and the IFD wouldn't pair to my Stratus 2 network. On the bluetooth config page it just said 'initializing' with the airplane icon flying across. It wouldn't never let me 'start scan'. Through Christine at tech support we tried loading the wifi/BT recalibration file without success. We traced the issue to a faulty or corrupt microSD card. Apparently I was the first customer with an installed IFD they have seen this issue in. A new microSD card was shipped to my avionics shop and installed this past Thursday. This has partially corrected the issue. I can now set the wifi config to 'local' and see the network. I can successfully connect to it and get the flight plan transfer icon to appear in foreflight. The IFD100 app also works well. I have been unsuccessful in getting the 'remote wifi' setting to connect to my Stratus. I am computer savvy and have checked the proper spelling for the SSID name without success. I have put a password and not put a password. Rebooted the Stratus numerous times, tablet numerous times with no success. Pretty much tried everything over several hours. Intestingly, the bluetooth and wifi indicator colors do not appear to be accurate. Without ever pairing a bluetooth device to the IFD the bluetooth icon immediately turns green on startup. When in 'remote' mode, the wifi icon also turns green however using the Fing app it doesn't show the IFD as connected to the Stratus network. I can also purposely put in an incorrect SSID name when in 'remote' mode and the wifi icon still turns green! When I set to 'local' mode it also turns green before I have connected any device to it. As a last ditch effect I loaded the wifi/BT recalibration file that I had initially used when the microSD was corrupted and that didn't help either. Any thoughts? I can also just switch back and forth between wifi networks in flight to accomplish flight transfers but also receive Stratus information, however the I shouldn't have to do this. Thanks, Russell
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oskrypuch
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Sure. * Orest |
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For those who want to sometimes switch between local and remote, the
SSID for local could have just the last digit of the Stratusxxxxx
changed so it would only be necessary to change the last digit of the
SSID when changing from local to remote or visa versa. For instance, Stratus2s01234 and Stratus2s01235. Yes?
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Not an issue for me either.
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oskrypuch
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Well, it is not an issue for me, I do have a Stratus 2S sitting full time in the aircraft, mounted on the C pillar in the back, and that is the only WiFi network I use in the plane. But it seems, there are others that do wish to flip back and forth, and in particular for whatever reason do not want to use the Stratus SSID for the Avidyne network. I think it is just a bit of added flexibility on the setup page, if you can add it back, it will likely be appreciated, one pair of values for remote modes, the other for local modes. Re-entering a new SSID is way too fiddly to be practical on a flight by flight basis. * Orest Edited by oskrypuch - 21 Mar 2018 at 1:56pm |
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