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    Posted: 25 Jul 2014 at 10:09am
We agree and are trying to organize something now.
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This is great news!  Finally!
 
How about offering existing R9 users a short class (1-2 hrs) while you guys (and us guys) are up at EAA/Oshkosh in a few weeks?  It would be a shame to waste that opportunity to help existing R9 pilots understand the new features and transition into the new system...  I think it would be well attended and quite appreciated!
 
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(R9.3 and SynVis Cert Update - 25 Jul 2014)

As some of you may have heard already, we did (finally) receive TSO/STC approval for R9.3 and SynVis.  Thank you all for hanging in there.

You should coordinate with Avidyne Sales/Service and your local Avidyne Service Center for the logistics of getting your airplane updated.
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The Sales/Service crew will work the logistics and timeline of each person's upgrade but.....yes, the IFDs will need to cycle through the Avidyne Service Center in Melbourne FL for the upgrade.  

We made a design choice to upgrade the size of the internal memory to support SynVis to ensure we had a high level of performance when crunching all the terrain data that goes into the SynVis scene.   That memory upgrade is not something that can be done in the field.  
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Originally posted by AviJake AviJake wrote:

So, we're anticipating a signed TSO/STC for R9.3 sometime during the week of 21 July.


Fantastic.

What is the timeline for R9 users enrolled in AeroPlan getting the R9.3 upgrade once the STC *finally* gets approved?

I seem to recall it involves upgrading/exchanging IFDs, but I'm probably wrong...?

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(R9.3 and SynVis Cert Update - 18 July 2014)

DO-200A audit is complete.  There were two documentation findings that we picked up during the outbrief yesterday, have actioned as of today and will submit to the FAA later today or early Monday morning.  The FAA has seen what our intended changes were going to be and agreed that they fully satisfy the two findings.

So, we're anticipating a signed TSO/STC for R9.3 sometime during the week of 21 July.
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What's the good word - any surprises this week?
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(R9.3 and SynVis Cert Update - 27 June 2014)

No change in status.  Everything is "done" but waiting for the DO-200A audit in mid July (15, 16, 17 July).  This is not considered high-risk but the FAA insists on conducting this prior to issuing STC.
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....and another 3 weeks goes by. Any news?
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I just read the IFD540 thread, got my answer....

I would have thought the DO-200A would be a Jepp issue....not an avidyne one.  Anyway...Steve, don't get discouraged, its called development.  This stuff happens.



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Will the DO-200 data chain cert affect the IFD540 cert?
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(R9.3 and SynVis Cert Update - 30 May 2014)

It's official now, we won't have R9.3 STC cert in June.   The FAA is still highly confident they will have all their approvals signed off prior to Oshkosh but...... reference my 21 May update on the DO-200A business - the local FAA ACO office has asked some FAA folks from the DC office to assist in their DO-200A approval process which includes an on-site audit.   FAA schedule availability for those DC folks has driven a 15, 16, 17 July audit date.  We believe this is a low risk audit but have been unable to accelerate the audit dates so we wait.  All other approvals for the rest of the TSO/STC material are getting checked off in the meantime.
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Frickin' outrageous.  Honestly.  All this time they've had, and now they ask for another five weeks of work from Avidyne.  FAA needs new management over there.

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[quote]Well I will say that the fervor with with the FAA is striving to continously update and enforce the governing rules is one reason why there are so few companies in the world producing certified XXXXXXXXX.{/quote]

You can substitute most anything for avionics, in that sentence, engines, mags, etc.

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Well I will say that the fervor with with the FAA is striving to continously update and enforce the governing rules is one reason why there are so few companies in the world producing certified avionics.
 
As for Garmin being subjected to the same rigor/scrutiny, I think the basic answer is yes.   There are always minor differences from ACO to ACO but at the macro level, I'd say it's a wash.  In fact Garmin often challenge something they think Avidyne "has gotten away with" and we do the same.   For better or worse, that behavior polices a level playing field.
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Its not the FSDO, its the Boston ACO I think;  and they are ridiculous.  They have put Avidyne through more nugatory events than I have every heard of. 

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Are these guys actually going out of their way to screw you to the wall?  There has to be some ulterior motive going on behind all this. Its hard to believe any professional organisation would carry on with this scale of obstruction otherwise.
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Your FSDO is freaking ridiculous - I seriously wonder if Garmin is put through the same level of BS that Avidyne has been. 

I mean really, waiting to NOW to say you need a RNP LOA?  After the past how many months of dealing with this nonsense?

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(R9.3 and SynVis Cert Update - 21 May 2014)
 
R9.3 TIA was completed without a hitch last week.   We had a face-to-face session with the FAA this past Monday (19 May) to sort out the approval delay.
 
The FAA remains hung up on two issues that are preventing issuance of the TSO/STC:
 
1.  They asked for another round of changes to the DO-254 documentation.   There were no actual product changes, just documentation changes that were requested.  We made this 3rd round of document changes and submitted that yesterday for their review.
 
2.  They now require a DO-200A LOA.   This is a letter of authorization vouching for the integrity of the nav data in the system.   When R9 was first certified, RNAV approaches like LPVs were not considered RNP approaches.  Over the last year or so, the FAA has redefined RNP to now include RNAV approaches.  So, that now means that the previously not applicable regs that governed RNP now apply to R9 and one of those requirements calls for this Type 2 LOA letter.   Can't tell you how frustrating this is but we are now cranking out the supporting data that allow issuance of the LOA.   We think this will take 5-6 weeks to get this approved.   If the stars align, it could go faster but there hasn't been any stellar alignment observed on this program to date and it's not inconceivable it will take even longer.  If there is a sliver of good news, the FAA has made it their goal to have this all behind us at or prior to Oshkosh.  So I would anchor current expectations around an Oshkosh TSO/STC date for R9.3.

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Maybe, possibly, but probably not.   


(I hope the "probably not" part is wrong but we hit a roadblock on every baby step in this program so we'll see)
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Originally posted by AviJake AviJake wrote:

Major development came in 4 minutes ago - the FAA has just authorized TIA to begin (and they have formally delegated it to us).

So that means the STC side of the flight testing will commence as soon as we can get a DAR lined up to do FAA conformity.  We have a few days of flight tests to conduct and a short report to write.   That *should* be the last of the STC steps.   We'll see.....


So maybe, possibly, but probably not ready for customers in the next 4 weeks?
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Major development came in 4 minutes ago - the FAA has just authorized TIA to begin (and they have formally delegated it to us).

So that means the STC side of the flight testing will commence as soon as we can get a DAR lined up to do FAA conformity.  We have a few days of flight tests to conduct and a short report to write.   That *should* be the last of the STC steps.   We'll see.....
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I should note that we haven't made any DO-254 changes in the last month.  We made the documentation changes the FAA asked for a month ago and that's what we haven't heard the feedback on yet.
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(R9.3 and SynVis Cert Update - 4 May 2014)

I certainly feel like a dope but I have nothing new to report.  The FAA is still hung up on the DO-254 data and won't authorize TIA until they are happy with it.  As soon as that is resolved, they have pre-authorized TIA to begin.

I will note that we haven't made any changes nor have been asked to with respect to DO-254.  The FAA is having internal discussions on the topic.  We have no real insight into what those discussions are and have no ability to predict when this will be done.  It's incredible but true.
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Still gun-shy BUT, we are still in a holding pattern with the FAA on the DO-254 issue.  Until they give us the formal thumbs up that the additional data we supplied a few weeks ago scratches their itch, we can't move on with the last two steps of this cert.

We're ready to run formal flight test the same day we get the FAA go but so far, no approval (or rejection) has come.
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Any news yet or still gun-shy ?
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I'm too gun shy to make any estimates right now.   This program has been impossible to accurately predict.
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Originally posted by AviJake AviJake wrote:

(R9.3 and SynVis Cert Update - 8 Apr 2014)

The latest roadblock in the saga was an FAA issue with the DO-254 cert documents.  It would appear that this issue (they wanted a different set of documentation) should be resolved to their satisfaction some time this week.  As soon as that is resolved, they have pre-authorized TIA to begin.

The FAA has completely delegated TIA back to Avidyne so that formal flight testing should start next week, presuming the DO-254 data is accepted this week.   That should last about a calendar week after which it's just a matter of the FAA signing the STC/TSO approval letters.


So......

R9.3 with SynVis will be available at service centers what, mid-late May assuming the FAA doesn't throw any more unsuspected curveballs at you?  Again?  For the umpteenth time?
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(R9.3 and SynVis Cert Update - 8 Apr 2014)

The latest roadblock in the saga was an FAA issue with the DO-254 cert documents.  It would appear that this issue (they wanted a different set of documentation) should be resolved to their satisfaction some time this week.  As soon as that is resolved, they have pre-authorized TIA to begin.

The FAA has completely delegated TIA back to Avidyne so that formal flight testing should start next week, presuming the DO-254 data is accepted this week.   That should last about a calendar week after which it's just a matter of the FAA signing the STC/TSO approval letters.
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you're not changing firmware are you?

Does the change product rule (ac21.101a) apply to you?



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Yes.
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Isn't this just a software update to your existing fielded product?
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(R9.3 and SynVis Cert Update - 19 March 2014)

We had an unexpected but welcome visit today from the FAA who spent a few hours in our lab "flying" SynVis.   These were the flight test guys who are just one part of the full FAA cert team.

Nevertheless, that visit was very helpful in that they officially closed out all open human factors MPSUE issues - there had been 12 left open that were going to be evaluated during TIA flights.

They are also talking (I emphasize talking only - no actual decision has been made yet) about delegating all TIA back to us.  That has become a lot easier for them to do with the closure of the MPSUE items that were supposed to be evaluated by the FAA during TIA.

On the continued disappointing news front, there has been zero progress on the DO-254 compliance issue the FAA has raised.   We're working with them to unblock that log jam but so far, no dice.  I will say this issue appears to reside entirely within the FAA.   We're trying to figure this one out.
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Steve, you needs to ask the ACO to delegate approval authority to the company DERs .   Given the amount of work you guys do, the ACO would have done that by now.
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(R9.3 and SynVis Cert Update - 7 Mar 2014)

The FAA audit came off flawlessly today with zero findings or otherwise actionable items after 5 hours of review.

That log jam is now resolved and on to the next one (which happens to be DO-254 compliance concerns).   We're working with yet another FAA rep to try and resolve that one.

Should know more early next week.
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(R9.3 and SynVis Cert Update - 4 Mar 2014)

The FAA has committed to spending time this coming Friday 7 Mar to review the new data we've submitted per their request.

I'll post an update on how that meeting goes.
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Maybe.

About an hour ago, we finished the work that we understood we had to add.  We're now trying to schedule a session with the ACO to walk our way through this new material with them to see if it meets their new expectations.
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Any news on how long this latest flaming hoop is going to take to jump thru?
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Welcome to the world of certification.    It can be maddening at times.

Garmin and Aspen use different offices from us and from each other.  Both are subjected to the same kind of thing at times.   Garmin has programs going for years before the public is aware.  Aspen and Avidyne elect to inform the public of products/programs when they start.   All have cert challenges.
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Are the FAA offices Garmin and Aspen use really that much more "reasonable"? It seems bizarre that a company can be subjected to such a competitive disadvantage due to the governments inconsistent application of policy. Don't you have a congressman or senator or someone fighting your corner? The FAA are going to send you guys broke at this rate. I don't even live there and this still pisses me off.
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Yes, this is ridiculous.

What most people don't realize is that there are multiple FAAs.  Each region of the US is covered by a different certification office and they can, and sometimes do, apply different standards to applicants.  This is clearly not the intent of the FAA and they have some mechanisms in place to minimize the likelihood but in practice, it's not foolproof and this is definitely and example of that. 

We're still working out the true impact of this new requirement on the cert date.  It's a non-trivial undertaking.
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This is getting ridiculous. Are we ever going to see this product?
Why are you guys subjected to this while the other guys get their product out years ago?
I don't get it. You need a lobbyist.
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This is getting kind of ridiculous.

Has Garmin, Collins, Honeywell, or even Aspen Avionics had the same kind of nightmarish time getting synthetic vision approved?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tony Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Feb 2014 at 5:38am
are they requiring more artifacts and essentially  driving you from DO-178B to C?  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TheFlightstuff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Feb 2014 at 2:34am
Sounds like you need a better legal team to fight the FAA on this.
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I wish it were great news.

Yesterday, the FAA informed us of a brand new requirement for data package submittals they are now mandating.    It is shockingly frustrating to introduce a brand new type of data submission requirement at the 11th hour and 58th minute.

We were completely unsuccessful in convincing them that it is needless data and in direct contradiction to published guidance on the data submission content.  So, we are now trying to get our heads around the magnitude of this additional data they are demanding and how hard/long it will take to create it.

It would appear at this time to be on the order of several  thousands of pages of effort.   Standby as we scramble to deal with it.

(BTW, MLX support is not part of R9.3.)
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Wow thats great news.
This is release 9.3 correct?
Will this also include activation of the MLX unit for in flight weather here in Europe?
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(SynVis Progress Update - 10 Jan 2014)

Still waiting on final approvals. Things are now moving at the local ACO but I'm estimating it will take until about 15 Feb for final sign off based on the current pace.

I'll make a new post if that date looks like it will move by more than a week either direction.
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Q4 is probably out.   I don't ever throw the FAA under the bus unless it is warranted and it is now.

The Boston office is maxed out and Avidyne (and I  think others) are on the short end of that stick.  Combined with end of year (use or lose) vacation status for the FAA and normal holidays, I am not optimistic we'll see approval before the end of the year. 

The ACO has flat out told us they won't likely even start servicing the project until Jan.   I suppose a Christmas miracle is possible but I believe it is extremely unlikely.   

We've been ready for weeks and weeks and turned in our data a long time ago.  And still we wait.

Let me be clear it is not a lack of desire on their part, just a result of some internal prioritization that we are unable to influence in a meaningful way.

This has reached a point of extreme frustration.

What further aggravates the situation is the 8.33 kHz spacing mandate in Europe that takes effect on/about 1 Jan.  R9.3 has the 8.33 support and while the FAA has frequently acknowledged they understand the deadline and the motivation to get 9.3 approved, I am not optimistic that even that will influence approval dates.

Wish I had happier news.
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I'm sure you're tired of the same question, but are there any updates? I'm assuming Q4 is out.

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