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    Posted: 18 Jun 2017 at 2:26pm
After upgrading to 10.2, I can no longer display weather and traffic on my iPad. There's wifi connectivity, because I can push a flight plan from Foreflight to the 540 (cool feature, btw). Ownship display is fine, too. I know the MLB 100 is receiving ADS-B weather and traffic, because it displays on the 540. I'm just not sure why I'm getting "radar not available" at the same time on Foreflight. I know it's not the end of the world, since the 540 display is available, but I kind of prefer the way Foreflight displays precipitation - it's a bit sharper and the colors tend to be a more accurate representation of the actual weather. Any ideas what the glitch may be? 
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FF doesn't support pulling TIS & FIS from an IFD, yet.

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Originally posted by oskrypuch oskrypuch wrote:

FF doesn't support pulling TIS & FIS from an IFD, yet.

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If you route your WiFi connection from FF via the 540 "Remote" Hub through your Stratus box... I would think all FF Wx products should be intact.  I will check next flight to see if all FF and FlyQ iPad "Stratus-features" remain despite hooking up to 540 via the remote hub.  

Should be unaffected. 

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Originally posted by n7ifr n7ifr wrote:

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If you route your WiFi connection from FF via the 540 "Remote" Hub...

Yes, I have my IFD (remote mode) & tablet connected to my Stratux, and it all works. I get ADS-B TIS/FIS from my Stratux to FF, and FF can up/download flightplans and location.

But, I think the OP does not have a portable ADS-B IN unit, he is trying to pull the Skytrax data down to FF.

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Originally posted by oskrypuch oskrypuch wrote:

Originally posted by n7ifr n7ifr wrote:

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If you route your WiFi connection from FF via the 540 "Remote" Hub...

Yes, I have my IFD (remote mode) & tablet connected to my Stratux, and it all works. I get ADS-B TIS/FIS from my Stratux to FF, and FF can up/download flightplans and location.

But, I think the OP does not have a portable ADS-B IN unit, he is trying to pull the Skytrax data down to FF.

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Orest,  always difficult to choose which thread is most applicable, but:

Flew this AM with my Dual 540’s un-synched.
1.  Sent a new ForeFlight FP over WiFi (remote) to 540 #1, and got familiar disturbing message that “Routes re-synchronizing… “ with progress from “0% - 100%… followed by total deletion of all Routes!!

2.  Tried same with 540#2 (Local WiFi), no issue at all.

3.  After restoring Routes from thumb drive to 540#1, entered a manual New FP without issues.
4.  Later, in flight, up-synched a New FP via ForeFlight using WiFi (remote) to 540#1, this time, No Issues.
5.  Then, in flight, up-synched a New FP via ForeFlight using WiFi (local) to 540#2, and No Issues.

My Conclusions:

1.  Deletion of Routes (sometimes User Wpts) seems related to the Synchronizing process, in general, not necessarily between cross-synching 540’s, but any synch. from an external device from - iPad App, or other 540!!

Obviously this is very concerning - can you please make engineering aware ASAP… Does this sound like I'm having a 540 hardware, or Software issue with v10.2?

Help.

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Edited by n7ifr - 19 Jun 2017 at 3:03pm
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I have not personally seen this disturbing behaviour, but I only have one unit, and two installed units may be a necessary condition regardless of what actually triggers it.

I think I read here that the issue has been duplicated, and that 10.2.1 may address this (?), but I may be wrong as I wasn't paying close attention to it.

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Tried foreflight connection with IFD 550 for first time yesterday. iPad connected to IFD wireless network no problem. New button at top of foreflight allowed me to pull flight plan from IFD. That worked perfectly.

I was under the impression that the last foreflight update allowed biderictional flight plan transfer? Does that FF to IFD transfer need to be initiated via the IFD?

To be honest though this is mainly to satistfy my curiousity. When I was flying with my old GNS530w the idea of FF pushing a flight plan was a dream. I actually find flight plan entry into the IFD to be as easy if not easier.
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Originally posted by arkvet arkvet wrote:

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I was under the impression that the last foreflight update allowed biderictional flight plan transfer? Does that FF to IFD transfer need to be initiated via the IFD?

To be honest though this is mainly to satistfy my curiousity....

Yes, I can upload as well, but it pushes it to the route page, does not change the active route (which is good). In the FF 9.13 dialog on the FF MAP page I have a choice of download, or upload.

And, yes, that is exactly my experience too. Flight plan upload/download is cool, but not that important with the IFD, as it is lightning fast to enter on screen. It also reinforces the flight plan in your mind, and double checks it as you build it graphically. I use the download occasionally , if there is an enroute rerouting, I have the IFD push the new plan to the tablet.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote George Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jun 2017 at 10:07am
I also have the IFD 550. I can connect thru the local connection, but not thru the remote. Tech Support says there is a problem and a fix is coming. Can you confirm
you can connect by way of Stratus or other remote hubs?

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Originally posted by George George wrote:

I also have the IFD 550. I can connect thru the local connection, but not thru the remote. Tech Support says there is a problem and a fix is coming. Can you confirm
you can connect by way of Stratus or other remote hubs?


Yes, confirmed.

BUT occasionally (1 in 10 flights) the IFD just doesn't connect - so I may just be seeing this bug intermittently.

* Orest



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Thanks for the reply . My IFD 550 is a solid problem.
There is suppose to be a fix in 10.2.1, but no proposed
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Originally posted by oskrypuch oskrypuch wrote:

FF doesn't support pulling TIS & FIS from an IFD, yet.

* Orest


Thanks, Orest. That's exactly the problem - I don't have a Stratus and was trying to pull ADS-B data from the MLB-100 to ForeFlight. Glad to know it's not supported, and not my screwing up the configuration somehow. 
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Is there anywhere on the IFD that shows it connected to the Stratus or just in Devices in FF?
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Originally posted by psimpson psimpson wrote:

Is there anywhere on the IFD that shows it connected to the Stratus or just in Devices in FF?

Not that I know, although you might be able to pull that out of the logs.

Easiest way to tell, is use a free app like Fing. Available in android & iOS.

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I'd like to double check my understanding regarding WiFi on the 540, ForeFlight, and a Stratus. If I do NOT have my Stratus on board, the 540 needs to be in "local" mode to talk to ForeFlight. But if I DO have the Stratus on board, the 540 needs to be in "remote" mode to join the network originating from the Stratus. Correct?

That means I have to go into maintenance mode and change the setting depending on whether the Stratus is on board or not, right?

(The problem comes up since I have two airplanes and only one Stratus, which is sometimes in one plane, sometimes in the other).

Thanks for the clarification!

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yes.  If the stratus is a server, the IFD 540 needs to be in remote.  If the stratus is not there, then the 540 needs to be the server. 
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Alternate solution - Install 2nd IFDX40 and assign one WiFi = local, the other = Remote, and turn on both IFDX40 WiFi's.

Then no config changes needed.

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Would be a lot cheaper to buy a second Stratus and leave one in both planes!
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Has anyone been able to transfer a FPL from FF to the IFD Trainer (i,e. one ipad to another over wifi)? I am able to do so from the sim to FF but not in the other direction. The sim gives me the message: "Route not loaded". Doesn't give much to go on...

The sim sys page shows s/w ver 10.2.1.0, but I'm using the latest app update and I seem to recall that means the app is actually at 10.2.2 and only the sys page info hasn't been updated. My understanding was that FPL could be transferred in both directions with 10.2.2.


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Same question with the panel device. Have just upgraded the panel units to 10.2.2.0 and get the same behaviour. FPL transfers fine from IFD to FF, but any attempt to transfer a FPL from FF to the IFD results in the cyan "Route Not Loaded" on the IFD. 


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Originally posted by oskrypuch oskrypuch wrote:

Yes, I have my IFD (remote mode) & tablet connected to my Stratux, and it all works. I get ADS-B TIS/FIS from my Stratux to FF, and FF can up/download flightplans and location.

But, I think the OP does not have a portable ADS-B IN unit, he is trying to pull the Skytrax data down to FF.

* Orest


In addition to using the IFD in local mode mentioned above, I am also trying to set up a similar config to you Orest and can't quite get it working. My ADS-B IN unit is an ADL200 device which provides both in-flight wx and ADS-B IN here in Europe.

If I set up the IFD in remote mode with both it and the tablet connected to the ADL wifi network, FF recognizes both (under "Devices", both show with green check-mark and status of both is available). The IFD wifi icon is green. However, if I try to transfer a FPL in either direction to/from IFD to FF, I get a message from FF indicating that it is unable to connect to the IFD. I suspect a pwd or ip@ issue, but haven't been able to find a proper setting. BTW, the ADL device doesn't have a pwd for the SSID, so that field needs to be set to null. On the IFD, the CLR button doesn't delete chars like it does normally. The only way that I can find to delete chars is to change them to "blank". Or is there something that I'm missing here?



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Originally posted by chflyer chflyer wrote:


In addition to using the IFD in local mode mentioned above, I am also trying to set up a similar config to you Orest and can't quite get it working. ...


Are you on 10.2.x?

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Yes, 10.2.2. Using also latest available FF 10.4.3.

I should maybe also add that the ADL device has its own host ip@, 192.168.1.1, which is a different range from the default one used by the IFD in local mode. The IFD presents an ip@ field when configuring as remote wifi, and I'm not sure if it is expecting the ip@ of the remote host .... i.e. the ADL host ip@, or if it wants an ip@ assigned to itself on the same network .... e.g. 192.168.1.2. I've tried both and it doesn't seem to make any difference to the overall behaviour.


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