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Originally posted by HenryM HenryM wrote:

I certainly don't want charts, regardless of what Jepp thinks.

Fun fact: two weeks ago I had Jepp renew me for the 440 bundle, even though I had the 540 bundle before. I still have access to Jepp charts in FF, for no good reason that I can see.
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I have always wondered why anyone would use the jepp charts on the 540 in hard IFR, since they are so awkward to read and toggle through pages to access information. This is especially true when compared to the ease of use on my I-Pad with ForeFlight. Would love to lose the charts in the bundled subscription as I am looking at adding a 550 and EX600 in a new panel.
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You can purchase the 440 bundle, which will come without the charts.  It will work with the 540 and 550 just as well.
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Originally posted by ChuckGell ChuckGell wrote:

I have always wondered why anyone would use the jepp charts on the 540...

I have Jepp charts in multiple places, in the 540, the G* 796 and a tablet (and laptop in the family room). Use each differently, and in a pinch most can sub for another. The Jepp Avidyne bundle gives me all those plates everywhere, and they are all in the same format, even no matter what country.

In the 540, I always activate the default plan view of the Jepp chart in the 540. I like seeing the graphical georeferencing and flight plan overlay, and that is what I mainly use it for. With an approach loaded, on landing, the 540 will automatically flip over to the Jepp airport view, which nicely backs up my 796 SafeTaxi view.

I would be very leery of having only one source of plates, especially if that source was a general purpose tablet.

I'm a belt & suspenders guy.

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I've got multiple dissimilar tablets for chart/plate backup.  I don't find the charts in the IFD useful in practice.  Different strokes for different folks.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote rolfe_tessem Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jul 2018 at 11:32am
FWIW, my data point is that I did a chart bundle with just charts for the NE US where I fly. I did it so that I could get the Jepp charts in Foreflight, which is where I use them. I have never actually used them on the 540. If I fly outside the NE, I can deal with the government charts, as much as I hate them...

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Originally posted by ChuckGell ChuckGell wrote:

I have always wondered why anyone would use the jepp charts on the 540 in hard IFR, since they are so awkward to read and toggle through pages to access information. This is especially true when compared to the ease of use on my I-Pad with ForeFlight. Would love to lose the charts in the bundled subscription as I am looking at adding a 550 and EX600 in a new panel.
What Orest said.

I like the chart loaded on the IFD540.  I do not toggle through pages to access information.  I load the entire chart ("VIEW ALL"), zoom-in to about 2.0, and then have whatever I want by just swiping around.  It works quite well and is readable.  So, while I do prefer to use the IFD100 to do approach briefings, the IFD540 provides good usable redundancy.  Also, Like Orest, I like to see the flight plan overlaid on the chart to confirm where the FP will take me and what the required altitudes are.  Of course, I can do this all on the IFD100, but there are times when I'm just not bothering with another device or I may not even have it with me.  I have one subscription to maintain, Jeppesen, with redundant options on IFD540, IFD100, and a computer.  I can also print hard copies or have a trip kit on a thumb drive with PDF copies for use on any device that I may want.  I have the options I need and it all works quite well.


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Originally posted by oskrypuch oskrypuch wrote:

Originally posted by ChuckGell ChuckGell wrote:

I have always wondered why anyone would use the jepp charts on the 540...

I have Jepp charts in multiple places, in the 540, the G* 796 and a tablet (and laptop in the family room). Use each differently, and in a pinch most can sub for another. The Jepp Avidyne bundle gives me all those plates everywhere, and they are all in the same format, even no matter what country.

In the 540, I always activate the default plan view of the Jepp chart in the 540. I like seeing the graphical georeferencing and flight plan overlay, and that is what I mainly use it for. With an approach loaded, on landing, the 540 will automatically flip over to the Jepp airport view, which nicely backs up my 796 SafeTaxi view.

I would be very leery of having only one source of plates, especially if that source was a general purpose tablet.

I'm a belt & suspenders guy.

* Orest



Nice that you an afford it. It would cost me an additional €700+ to get those charts on my IFD Europe subscription. Very expensive suspenders! I prefer to keep the free versions of the charts (non-Jepp) available as backup, even if it means a different chart format per country compared to the Jepp standardization of my FF subscription. The gold-plated Jepp backup isn't needed often enough for my taste to justify the extra cost.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote oskrypuch Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Aug 2018 at 6:26pm
Originally posted by chflyer chflyer wrote:


Nice that you an afford it. It would cost me an additional €700+ to get those charts on my IFD Europe subscription....

Canadian data/charts are a good multiple compared to the US, but from what I've seen the Euro prices are out of this world.

Perhaps in your shoes I might do the same.

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I just downloaded the latest cycle and tried to install in my Cardinal.  the 550 went fine first, and when I tried to put the key in the 540, I got a licence count exceeded error.  I have the Avidyne bundle, so I should be covered, right?  I assume I have to call Jeppesen (ugh).  Anyone solve this another way?
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Originally posted by PeterC PeterC wrote:

I just downloaded the latest cycle and tried to install in my Cardinal.  the 550 went fine first, and when I tried to put the key in the 540, I got a licence count exceeded error.  I have the Avidyne bundle, so I should be covered, right?  I assume I have to call Jeppesen (ugh).  Anyone solve this another way?
It's a longshot, but check to make sure the tail number in your 540 matches the tail number in your 550.
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Originally posted by PeterC PeterC wrote:

I just downloaded the latest cycle and tried to install in my Cardinal.  the 550 went fine first, and when I tried to put the key in the 540, I got a licence count exceeded error.  I have the Avidyne bundle, so I should be covered, right?  I assume I have to call Jeppesen (ugh).  Anyone solve this another way?

You mentioned that you bought a "bundle". The bundle might be Charts, Nav, Obstacle and Terrain for one unit. 

Regardless of what you bought, you can't just download it once on a USB drive and then update both IFDs. If you have two IFDs then you should use two different USB drives.

Your Jepp subscription should show both IFDs if you bought a subscription for both.


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Sorry I should have been more precise.  The bundle I meant was the Avidyne bundle which licences the aircraft, not the unit.  AviSteve has suggested verifying the tail number in the 540 config which I will do.
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I spoke with Jepp.  According to them, I need a separate download for each aircraft, separate usb key.  I only had one IFD registered with them (but I had a double set of download files?).  They changed the profile (no charge) and reset the counter.  So I need a USB for each device.  Oh well.  The other thing I have to keep track of is download one set of files to one usb key then download the other set of files to the second usb key.
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I have a new Jepp issue that seems really bizarre to me, and wanted to confirm.  My Mooney was stranded in Delaware for about 6 months after and engine failure, so I cancelled the IFD540 subscription while it was down.  I tried to renew it online before flying it back home, (of course on a Sunday when they are closed) but credit card processing is down on their web site - 2 different reps told me that it would be down until summer 2019.... really???

Anyway - I finally spoke to a rep that took an hour to renew the nav, obstacle, and the Florida charts subscription.  I initially downloaded all 3 via jdm, but the 540 barfed on the chart file.

Thinking it was a corrupted file, I called and had them reset the download, but now on JDM, I do not show a chart download.  When I called, she said I was sold a 'mobile only' chart subscription, so she charged me a few more dollars and gave me a 'CSX' code to pair my device with a Jepp code she supplied.

I'm supposed to now take the code she gave me, and my serial number of the IFD540 to get a new code. The problem is the web site needs an 8 character serial number and my IFD540 has a 10 character serial number. I then need to enter the new 'CSX' code into my 540 where the charts will then magically appear.  Is it me, or did she sell me a subscription for something other than an IFD540?

I am on an older base software version 10.1.2.0 as I'm waiting for my local shop to get the latest version..

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Originally posted by woody0 woody0 wrote:

I have a new Jepp issue that seems really bizarre to me, and wanted to confirm.  My Mooney was stranded in Delaware for about 6 months after and engine failure, so I cancelled the IFD540 subscription while it was down.  I tried to renew it online before flying it back home, (of course on a Sunday when they are closed) but credit card processing is down on their web site - 2 different reps told me that it would be down until summer 2019.... really???

Anyway - I finally spoke to a rep that took an hour to renew the nav, obstacle, and the Florida charts subscription.  I initially downloaded all 3 via jdm, but the 540 barfed on the chart file.

Thinking it was a corrupted file, I called and had them reset the download, but now on JDM, I do not show a chart download.  When I called, she said I was sold a 'mobile only' chart subscription, so she charged me a few more dollars and gave me a 'CSX' code to pair my device with a Jepp code she supplied.

I'm supposed to now take the code she gave me, and my serial number of the IFD540 to get a new code. The problem is the web site needs an 8 character serial number and my IFD540 has a 10 character serial number. I then need to enter the new 'CSX' code into my 540 where the charts will then magically appear.  Is it me, or did she sell me a subscription for something other than an IFD540?

I am on an older base software version 10.1.2.0 as I'm waiting for my local shop to get the latest version..


Could she have said "CMax" code versus "CSX"?  If so, I think she sold you a subscription for an EX5000 MFD.  You need to call them back and have them correct their mistake.
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You're right, it was CMAX...

Since I posted this, she e-mailed me back and said that 'based on my serial number', I should be able to download it through JDM.

Even though I asked her last night specifically why I didn't see the chart option in JDM.

WOW - I would buy a subscription from literally ANYONE that would compete with Jepp at this point.
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Get in line woody0...this forum is filled with people with sub par experiences with Jepp.  
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